Welfare State and Value of Humans.

RE:"If I quit my job and decide to just go fishing every day, can I count on you to feed my family and pay my bills?"

Tell me about it! If I don't pay my part for the slackers, the government comes and takes all my stuff and throws me in jail.

 

Not at all. Everyone who is unemployed must be registered at job services. Those who have been "let go" from their job and those who have "quit" come under different categories. Those who do not register as unemployed will not be allowed "unemployment" benefits and will have to apply for "social" services instead, but even they put demands upon you.

What I am trying to tell you is that you cannot simply "Quit your job and decide to just go fishing every day, and count on you and your family to be fed and pay your bills." This is the anti-Socialist/Democracy bull **** they like to misinform Americans to believe. There are rules and laws that apply to every circumstance on what - when - how - how much you can expect from the system. Naturally, there is no circumstance that will allow you to starve or be left without a roof over your head but the rules are rather strict ........ and your idea of "quitting your job" and living high on the hog is not reality.

 

Yeah, it's called Socialism-Bolshevism (aka Big Government).

 

That's right, it's called Democracy.

 

You just put the goalposts wherever you want, dont you?

You said I dont have resources.

I asked you to explain.

You said to name ONE resource that I *thought* I had, and you inferred that you would explain further thereafter.

I named Labor as I resource I believe I have.

You say no one is taking my *ability* to labor.

Not only are you ignoring the fact that my labor is being taken, in part, through income tax (for one of many examples), but you have yet to explain how I either don't have labor OR labor is not a resource.

Are you admitting (by omission) that I *do* have labor and that labor is a resource, and thus I do have resources?

Or are you just fos?

 

Your dishonesty is wasting my time. You won't be wasting any more of it. Have a nice day.

 

dishonesty... lol.

Our convo is right here for all to see.

Quote where Ive been dishonest.

 

Look how that turned out, what was it 30 million killed.

 

Don’t feed the animals or the population will grow accustomed to getting food from humans and will not learn how to hunt and survive for itself

 

Thanks -- indeed the state has a right to tax rich people and a duty to help disabled people.

 

Scandinavia is not Communist.

 

I agree. Animals, unlike humans have no paramount value.

 

It’s a metaphor

 

Well we all KNOW that WOMEN are worth 1/2 a man because the Bible/Qur'an tell us so, so that should help the math a bit.
You're welcome.

 

Hehe, go ahead, move there and PAY THEIR EXHORBITANT TAXES.

 

Golly, it's free if the government pays for it, so sign me up!!!! Right? Right?

 

You only have that right if those more wealthier than you are willing to PAY FOR IT (through their taxes.)

 

They sound like Nazis.

 

Of course it isn't reality. But that wasn't the point of my original statement.

The OP is complaining that the United States doesn't provide food, shelter, and medical care for all, as in ALL, citizens. The first sentence of this thread put Scandinavia on a pedestal because they apparently provide food, shelter, and medical care to every citizen.

I was simply wondering if the OP was okay with providing me with free food, shelter, and medical care while I spend my days fishing, after all, I am certainly one of the "every citizen" group that "deserves" free stuff.

And "living high on the hog" is relative. I could do pretty well on what one of those "welfare queens" gets in government services.
Note: if anyone assumes that a "welfare queen" implies a minority race, then YOU are a racist.

 

Just because every state does it does not mean it is not making a slave out of the producer.

Let's say that yall are right that everyone has a right To housing healthcare and food. What rights exterior to these are the whole of the population required to provide for the individual? None. You may have a right to healthcare. But you are responsible for providing it yourself. I have a constitutionally protected right to keep and carry weapons. But it is up to me to provide those weapons for myself. Same as it is up to me to provide food for my family and housing for them to live in.

 

You gotta watch this ,it is a parody using Barbara Specter as an example.

 

The U.S. has been fundamentally transformed from a nation of people endowed by their Creator with certain and inalienable rights into a nation of people endowed by each other with uncertain and alienable entitlements.

Charity is integral to a civil society. However, charity has a voluntary nature. Government cannot conduct charity. Everything government does it does by force of law. Indeed, government is the legal use of force. Tyranny, is simply trying to do by force of law what cannot, or should not, be done by force at all.

The one thing that all socialists, communists, fascists and islamists have in common is the sincere desire to impose their very best intentions for others upon them by force of law. They do no see the imposition of their best intentions upon others by force of law as a usurpation of other people's best intentions for themselves. They all see it as the only alternative to chaos or having their counterpart's best intentions imposed upon them by force, or by mere exposure.

A nation of people cannot maintain for themselves more individual liberty than they have tolerance for what others do, or don't do, with theirs.

We have become a nation of well meaning tyrants using ever increasing degrees of force upon each other, albeit by-proxy. As we become increasingly intolerant with what others do, or don't do, with their private property, or their authority over and responsibility for themselves, we make more and more personal responsibilities public, more and more private property public, and the public authority ever more intrusive, expensive and tyrannical.

FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WIIL
TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY

 

The only value humans have to the "welfare state" is found in their vote.

Both political parties have been ranching voters for decades. The Republicans are like cattle ranchers. They have fewer, but larger, dependent constituents. The Democrats are like chicken ranchers. They have smaller, but many more, dependent constituents. Of course they don't ranch them for eggs or milk; they ranch them for votes.

The "welfare state", in the U.S. today, is the product of 'crony-capitalism. Crony-capitalism is socialism for the losers and capitalism for the winners. Ironically, in crony-capitalism, the losers pick the winners.

 

We are not a biblical theocracy. And, it is not biblical to force charity at gun point. Also, there are numerous avenues(self motivation, family, friends, private charities) to help the "truly" needy other than governments. What is not "ethical" is forced charity.

 

Indeed is the right word.