What Barr said, what Mueller said

Predictable kneejerk denialism of factually documented REALITY duly noted once again.

 

Yep, no crime found but hey, what is a sufferer to do with their long held conspiracy theory.

 

Here is, as William Barr might call it, “the bottom line”: The Mueller report describes, in excruciating detail and with relatively few redactions, a candidate and a campaign aware of the existence of a plot by a hostile foreign government to criminally interfere in the U.S. election for the purpose of supporting that candidate’s side. It describes a candidate and a campaign who welcomed the efforts and delighted in the assistance. It describes a candidate and a campaign who brazenly and serially lied to the American people about the existence of the foreign conspiracy and their contacts with it. And yet, it does not find evidence to support a charge of criminal conspiracy, which requires not just a shared purpose but a meeting of the minds.

Here is the other bottom line: The Mueller report describes a president who, on numerous occasions, engaged in conduct calculated to hinder a federal investigation. It finds ample evidence that at least a portion of that conduct met all of the statutory elements of criminal obstruction of justice. In some of the instances in which all of the statutory elements of obstruction are met, the report finds no persuasive constitutional or factual defenses. And yet, it declines to render a judgment on whether the president has committed a crime.

Now, the House must decide what to do with these facts. If it wants to actually confront the substance of the report, it will introduce a resolution to begin an impeachment inquiry.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/mueller-report-demands-impeachment-inquiry


https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

 

From the very beginning you have presumed guilty until proven innocent. Patriotic Americans won't play your leftist game....it drives you bonkers!

 

Please provide a statement from me that indicates Trump is guilty. Providing evidence of guilt is not presuming a person is guilty. You assumed that. Why?

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

"WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks."

Begging the Russian government and its facilitator to help him win the Presidency is strong indicator of a conspiracy with Russia. So is this.

Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, on June 9, 2016.

Perhaps this isn't enough to convict Trump in trial beyond a reasonable doubt. Mueller did not even try because he knew the DOJ would not indict a sitting President.

But it is enough to consider possible impeachment charges. That is for Congress to decide, not Barr.

 

This post was overlooked by Trump's fans. I wonder why.

Just learned today from a news report that 80% of the redactions in the Mueller Report was in the section dealing with an alleged conspiracy with the Russian government. Interesting, huh?

Link? I looked all over for a link. There is none on that specific item.

What is equally interesting is that what Congress and we are seeing in the Mueller Report is what Trump's appointee permits us to see. Also, Barr will fight in the courts a Congressional subpoena to see the unredacted version of the Mueller Report.

Why does Barr not want Congress to see the unredacted version?

What is Barr hiding from our Congressmen?

 

Trump refuses to allow an unredacted version of the Mueller Report to be given to Congress.

Trump will fight a subpoena issued by the House Judiciary Committee for former White House counsel Donald McGahn to testify.

Trump is breaking the law by not turning over six years of tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee. The chairmen, Richard Neal, is relying on invoking an authority enshrined in the tax code granted only to the tax-writing committees in Congress that gives the chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee the power to request tax information on any filer. It says that the Treasury secretary “shall” furnish the information. Mnuchin, following Trump's orders, flew through today's deadline.

The White House has instructed a former official who was in charge of the security clearance process to not comply with a House subpoena demanding his appearance for an interview. The White House told the former official, Carl Kline, who now works at the Defense Department, to not appear at Tuesday's deposition.

"I'm having a good day," Trump said at a White House event for the Wounded Warrior Project. "It’s called no collusion, no obstruction.”

For an innocent man, Trump is acting quite guilty. He is giving every indication that he is very guilty. Innocent Presidents do not try to hide the truth from Congress and the American people.

 

Trump is becoming a pariah. Trump has spurned the annual White House Correspondents’ dinner for the past two years, and now he’s taking it a step further, ordering administration officials to boycott the dinner. It may please his political base, much of which Trump has convinced the media is “the enemy of the people,” while alienating everyone else.

Trump is going out of his way to make himself the least popular President in modern American history.

Putin is immensely pleased with his puppet.

Trump's fans are equally pleased with Trump's performance. Washington is being torn apart. What's not to like?

 

What you need to do, Sandy, is go back to before the Special Prosecutor was appointed and find out how he was appointed. The FBI and CIA knew there was no collusion but Hillary had paid for this phony Dossier. The Obama Administration , just like the News Media of course was in the tank for Hillary, The weaponized agencies took the ball and ran with it for almost two years! Trump did not obstruct anything. He defended himself against false accusations (as Mueller found out or already knew) Of course anyone falsely accused and badgered would get defensive, and we elected Donald Trump because he is a "fighter".....not some pansy ass politician as was McCain or Romney. You don't like fighters so you want to overturn the election of 2016. That's it in a nutshell.

 

Putin was pleased with Hillary for using the Russian supplied dossier to wreak havoc in the American political system.

 

There is absolutely no point in resurrecting far right conservative theories from the past.

Why don't you concentrate on defending Trump? You like him, but you never defend him. Why is that?

He did? Prove it.

 

I don't have to prove it. It's not my job. Mueller was paid handsomely and he decided there was no collusion. This "far right conservative theory" is going to get some attention. So hang in there Sandy,,,,,it won't be long.

 

Yeah, that's what I thought. Interesting that Trump's fans have to lie to defend Trump.

I said earlier, "Please provide a statement from me that indicates Trump is guilty."

You lied about that, too.

 

Trump refuses to allow an unredacted version of the Mueller Report to be given to Congress.

Trump will fight a subpoena issued by the House Judiciary Committee for former White House counsel Donald McGahn to testify.

Trump is breaking the law by not turning over six years of tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee. The chairmen, Richard Neal, is relying on invoking an authority enshrined in the tax code granted only to the tax-writing committees in Congress that gives the chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee the power to request tax information on any filer. It says that the Treasury secretary “shall” furnish the information. Mnuchin, following Trump's orders, flew through today's deadline.

The White House has instructed a former official who was in charge of the security clearance process to not comply with a House subpoena demanding his appearance for an interview. The White House told the former official, Carl Kline, who now works at the Defense Department, to not appear at Tuesday's deposition.

"I'm having a good day," Trump said at a White House event for the Wounded Warrior Project. "It’s called no collusion, no obstruction.”

For an innocent man, Trump is acting quite guilty. He is giving every indication that he is very guilty. Innocent Presidents do not try to hide the truth from Congress and the American people.

 

All your statements say Trump is guilty of something. Who are you trying to kid Sandy? Your whole life revolves around "Trump is guilty of something." You seem to have nothing else to live for.

 

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump


As has been incorrectly reported by the Fake News Media, I never told then White House Counsel Don McGahn to fire Robert Mueller, even though I had the legal right to do so. If I wanted to fire Mueller, I didn’t need McGahn to do it, I could have done it myself.

4:47 AM - Apr 25, 2019

Here is what the Mueller Report said.

After the story broke [Trump ordered McGahn to fire Mueller], the President, through his personal counsel and two aides, sought to have McGahn deny that he had been directed to remove the Special Counsel. Each time he was approached, McGahn responded that he would not refute the press accounts because they were accurate in reporting on the President’s effort to have the Special Counsel removed. The President later personally met with McGahn in the Oval Office with only the Chief of Staff present and tried to get McGahn to say that the President never ordered him to fire the Special Counsel. McGahn refused and insisted his memory of the President’s direction to remove the Special Counsel was accurate.

Now the question is simple. Do we believe the former White House counsel and supporting testimony who swore an oath or do we believe the tweet of a pathological liar?

 

The fact is....Mueller was NEVER fired. I own a company. I have people work for me I have selected because I trust their judgement. Sometimes I fly off the handle and want to do things I shouldn't do, BUT>>> those under me often have certain expertise and out of respect for me, they override my request.

Fact: Trump wanted to end the witch hunt for the good of the country. There was no collusion. The country would have been far better off had the witch hunt ended 18 months ago.
Fact: Mueller was NOT fired.
Fact: You judge Trump guilty all the time. Now you call him a "pathological liar". There have been a lot of pathological liars that have hated Donald
Trump when they saw he wasn't going to play the "establishment game".
Can you understand how tiring it must be for the President who wants to accomplish things for America and he has enemies that badger him at every turn? They don't have the country's interest at heart.....they just want the power they lost in 2016 and that is all this is about!
The words "Drain the Swamp" sent a chill up their spine. Hillary herself said if that Mo&*(^ Fu)(*& gets elected we're all going to hang. She was right for once and it is going to happen. They are fighting tooth and nail.

So if Trump just came out and said...."I wanted Mueller fired" was his desire a crime? If Trump was obstructing, for what reason was he obstructing? Was there a crime? Mueller said no. To be obstructing and for it in itself to be a crime, there has to be a crime. Sandy....you got no crime!

 

I provide evidence that Trump is guilty. If you are drawing conclusions from the evidence, they are your conclusions, not mine.

He is a pathological liar. He even brags about his talent for lying. He calls his lying "truthful hyperbole."

Yes, I do understand. However, Trump tweets about the Mueller Report every day. If a man robs a bank and the cops arrest him, I would suppose you would blame the cops for creating a fuss.

You are the one who is complaining about all the evidence against Trump.

As is customary for a Trump fan, you try to simplify the issue. I suppose that's because you want to understand the issue, so you place it in simple terms.

It's not that simple. Review what Mueller said in my post. This time, concentrate. You are reminded that McGahn and the others were under oath, facing perjury if they lied. The pathological liar was tweeting in the privacy of his office where no one could challenge his lies. In that respect, Trump is also a coward, unwilling to face scrutiny of what he is saying. The Trump White House has not had a press conference in 46 days. Trump is hiding from reporters and Americans.

You support Trump's seclusion. That I clearly do not understand. You give up a lot when you support Trump.

 

Trump's fans do not want to know the difference between what Trump's lackey said and what Mueller said. The only way to support Trump is to avoid reality. Proof of that statement is this thread.

And others.

 

Clinton was never indicted...try again

 

You supply evidence that Trump is guilty....so you say. Mueller and his team of Hillary supporters couldn't do it even though they spent millions of taxpayer dollars. How did you get to be so good Sandy?

You support the failed Coup. That I clearly understand. You give up a lot when you support the Coup. You give up support of our American system.
Trump doesn't hide....he gave an interview just yesterday. What he doesn't do is submit to the baiting of FAKE NEWS.

 

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump


As has been incorrectly reported by the Fake News Media, I never told then White House Counsel Don McGahn to fire Robert Mueller, even though I had the legal right to do so. If I wanted to fire Mueller, I didn’t need McGahn to do it, I could have done it myself.

4:47 AM - Apr 25, 2019

Here Trump is lying for two obvious reasons.

First, Trump never does his own dirty work. He always asks others to do it for him. In this case, it was the White House counsel. Other times it has been his chief of staff. Picture Trump meeting with four Russian operatives in Trump Tower in June 2016. Never happen, right? Trump sent three of his lackeys.

Second, Trump could not fire Mueller. Either Sessions or Rosenstein could fire Mueller because Mueller was working for the theoretically independent DOJ.

 

Yeah, in his usual spot, the White House lawn with Marine One churning away. I watched the shouting as he answered questions from friendly reporters. Today, one of these reporters asked Trump his thoughts on the measles epidemic. Geez! You just proved my point.

There hasn't been a White House press conference in 47 days.

Trump has held two press conferences in his 27 months in office. Both were disasters. He simply won't hold them anymore.

Trump prefers secrecy, and you approve. Like I said, you are giving up a lot with your support of Trump, as in endorsing a secret Presidency.

 

As I said, you turned your back on your country when you chose to support an on going Coup.

 

No, Mueller did not find the evidence, so end of story.