What do Conservatives have to offer America?

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  1. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Conservatives want equal opportunity for all. Then some people will eventually earn $100,000 per year and some will earn $20,000 per year.

    Liberals want everyone to earn $30,000 per year, regardless of their talents or how hard they work. That would be "fair".
     
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    Those could concievably be Conservative values in theory but if taken seriously they prove America has never elected a Conservative as President or to any political office.
     
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    Hilarious. Go ahead and post the record of so called Conservatives that have actually cut the size of government or have expanded personal freedoms.
     
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    Freedom, just freedom.
     
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    It is a one or two time sucess based on massive tax cuts for corporations and the rich. Buying a short term jump in GDP through a massive defecit increase is not a great economic success.

    What is typical of liberalism is an understanding of economics which is something you should strive to obtain.
     
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    Nope. What do any of those have to do with personal freedom. Or do you not really understand freedom?
     
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    Conservatives have much to offer from fiscal and economic advantages to societal stabilization and protections. Unfortunately they are vary rare anymore and completely missing from American politics.
     
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    You have to be worth something to the corporations in order to warrant a higher salary.
     
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    And what would you know about what we can and cannot afford?
     
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    Conservatives have fiscal responsibility, advocacy of free trade, respect for truth, courtly demeanor in civil discourse, an embrace of wholesome family values, and a self-confident "Speak softly and carry a big stick," posture to offer America, all admirable traits that command global respect.

    When they recapture the GOP from the RINOs of Trumpery, they will again be able to strut their stuff.
     
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    It is Trump's answer to every issue he faces... "Let The States Decide"

    Medicare for all
    Screw the Heath Insutance Industry that pays for all those cabins, boats, vacation homes, and lavish conferences by ripping off sick people
     
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    I do prefer graphs.. sinnikism can't hide from real numbers


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    And you know as well as I do that the fight over tariffs isn't even warmed up yet, much less over. I expect lots and lots of bloody noses and a whole mess of guts all over the floor before it's all done and said. But when it's over, you will be SO glad that President Trump fought for America. SO glad.
     
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    Yeah I heard the giant sucking sound last week with the Mexico please build the wall free trade agreement.

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    God help us if the Chinese are the dominant world hegemon. They are moving into Africa with a passion, then we have these authoritarian bureaucratic ******* running everything (but like, worse this time).
     
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    I've long been a proponent of no wall, just a rock solid reputation for deportation. But in the event that President Trump wants to build on the wall that is there already, I think that a couple of years not paying Mexico the 97 million dollars annually for border security duties, which I assume we can all agree that they do not fulfill, will be enough to buy all the wall President Trumps wants. Merely three or so years and the wall is paid for.

    But like I said, I would rather see the illegals sent home the first time they are caught here, next time they wake up in the People's Republic of the Congo. Bet we never see those particular illegals again. Ever.
     
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    That is rather obvious. Work that has needed to be done for decades has not been done..
     
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    Trouble is, you have an ideal about what the GOP is about, while reality contradicts that idea. Oh, they may talk as if they are what you think they are, but words are cheap, and only actions matter. The GOP and DP are both owned by the big banks and big corporations, and the elites that own those entities. The Princeton Study evidenced this, using congressional record spanning two decades.

    You appear to be naive and idealistic, thinking the GOP is what you want it to be. In reality, it isn't. And yet it appears you have to live in a delusion, for some reason. Rainbows and unicorns.

    The GOP is not your ideal, your delusion. Not at the federal level. Probably because not enough of america would ever accept those ideals.
     
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    So, you know that the RP/DP establishment is corrupt, but you are wrong about the where real power resides in the US.
    The political class will always dominate banks and corporations.

    “What if the problem is not bribery … but extortion? What if the Permanent Political Class in Washington, made up of individuals from both political parties is using its coercive public power to not only stay in office but to threaten others, and to extract wealth, and in the bargain pick up private benefits for themselves, Their friends and their families?” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 2.
     
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    And the political, ruling elite eventually will always succumb to the power of wealth, the billionaires. There is a symbiotic relationship between the ruling political elite and the money elite. It only varies by degrees.

    You can see it in what are called "American Interests". Those interests are not of the average american, but of the rich elites, banks, corporations. And so when a south american nation in the past were gonna nationalize, threatening businesses like the United Fruit Company, an american corporation, who defended that corporation? Our gov't? ha ha. Yep. And there is a history of this. The US protects big american business, almost as if we were a socialist nation, where the State owned these businesses. ha ha.

    Read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. It reveals in practice my contentions and beliefs, by using facts, by using reality. Hard to reject reality when it slaps one in the face hard. It should get one's attention and yet, that does not always occur. ha ha

    It is both bribery and extortion. The elites bribe, and at times the politicians extort to get even more from the rich.
     
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    Tell that to Enron and Arthur Anderson executives. Political power always dominates Big Business.

    “Former Microsoft COO, Robert Herbold told me, “you're crazy if you don't play along. They will go after you.” Ray Planck, the founder and former chairman of Apache Corporation, has seen his company cough up to both parties for 50 years. He told me that campaign money and lobbying contracts are “protection money. It's what you expect from the mafia.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 3.

    Big Business is a dairy cow for the ruling political class.
     
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    If the country's people were able to regard their fellow countrymen as brethren, we could eliminate petty squabbles regarding social assistance.
     
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    This is preposterously false. Today's Republican (aka RINO) party hates republicanism. "Freedom and Limited Gov't"... are you freaken kidding me.

    The Republican Establishment loves big Gov't, wealth redistribution, Big Gov't debt and it hates individual liberty/freedom.
     
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    I'd simply go with:
    Freedom from the state-enforced involuntary servitude imposed upon the people by the left.
     
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    This is such a falsehood. Red Establishment hates the principles on which this nation was founded.
     

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