What is the right number of Gun deaths for the US?

We are at around 30,000 and the number is declining slightly. Is this an acceptable number? How many gun deaths would it take for you to say that we need to take action in this country (and you can define the action)? !00,000? A million? How about if there was a school shooting every day and the victims were mostly kids? Should we do anything about this?

 

well in the last 20 years there are at least 20 million more guns in circulation and yet homicides and intentionally committed attacks with firearms are declining.

Suicides are not really relevant to this discussion.

 

The problem with the 30,000 number is that murders, suicides and police interventions are all lumped together. The number of Murders in 2014 according to the FBI was less than 15,000. Less than 9000 of those were committed with firearms. More than 17,000 suicides were committed using firearms...Do you really think that if there were no firearms, there would be less suicides. Countries like Russia, Japan, Australia, Belgium all have higher suicide rates than the US, and far stricter gun controls.

 

Has there ever been a post in the history of the internet that could be more aptly named: "Flamebait"?

 

Keeping the 70% of repeat offenders in jail would be a good start to lower the 10k murders.

Being more concerned about other human beings might help with the 20k suicides.

Are we only concerned about gun deaths here? That might also be part of the problem.

 

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Research is in - reduce the number of firearms reduce the number of suicides

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Dividing by 10 would bring it in line with other high income countries

 

It's too bad that the top 20 countries for suicide don't have any guns to reduce then.

 

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Can you provide a link to this research you speak of...The US is not Australia...It's proven in the US that more guns means less crime...FBI NICS stats show that since the inception Nov 30 1998, NICS has processed 202 million background checks for firearms purchases, with just over 90,000 denials. According to FBI statistics, violent crime has been steadily declining since 1999.
And let's face it, Australia and the US are very different when it comes to politics and socioeconomics. If the US did what Australia does when it comes to illegal aliens...Yes you all have internment camps...Could you imagine the outcry if the US did that.

 

Liberals, I beg you, please clean up your own giant messes before giving advice on how to clean up the few spots on others.

You will never, ever get the truth about gun murders in the US by watching CNN or reading USA Today or Yahoo News. The sorry truth is that virtually all gun crime and violence is purely and completely demographic in nature. Virtually all gun crime is limited to violent urban wastelands in areas populated and ran by liberal democrats. It just is. All the worst cities and neighborhoods with high crime are all occupied and governed by liberal democrats. Every single one.

You have been brainwashed by the Leftist media that use National and State data to confuse the public about crime. Looking at where the lion's share of crime occurs, one can easily see that crime and gun murders are rare in rural and suburban areas, but is commonplace in urban wastelands like Chicago, Detroit, Flint and Baltimore.

www.spotcrime.com

The chances of being in a mass shooting are rare---certainly rarer if one does not work in a gun-free zone. The chances of being the victim of a violent crime each year is as high as ONE IN TEN in the neighborhood ran by your cherished own: liberal democrats.

www.neighborhoodscout.com

How can liberals run their mouths about national gun control, when they won't do anything about the crime in their own cities that drive up crime rates for everyone else?

 

You seem to be working on the flawed assumption that nobody is doing anything about gun crime (or violent crime in general). You also seem to be assuming that addressing gun crime is just about addressing guns. If gun deaths increased by the rate of your hypothetical examples, it would indicate some fundamental problems running much deeper and wider than the simple existence of firearms. As it happens, that’s true of most gun crime that actually does happen.

 

Liberals scream for gun control to mitigate the 9,000 violent gun deaths per year, do nothing about the 70-80 percent caused by gangs and repeat offenders and then advocate for the 1.2 million abortions per year for the convenience of promiscuity without long term consequences... Hypocrisy at it's best

 

What is being done to reduce gun deaths? Where did I say the problem is too many guns (I do not believe that)? Do we have a problem with too many gun deaths in this country? Yes or no.

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The GOP runs congress now. Exactly what are they doing about gangs and repeat offenders?

 

Zero is the right number. But zero would be the right number of traffic accident deaths as well.

 

Guns make suicide attempts MUCH more lethal and successful
A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the School’s Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalent—as in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

 

The U.S. homicide rate is the lowest it's ever been dating back to 1960.

 

I'm glad you bring up auto deaths. They are almost the same number as gun deaths. But cars are used billions of time a day for billions of more man hours than guns. Yet about as many die from guns as cars. What does this tell us?

 

It tells us that we shouldn't be letting the 70% of repeat violent crime offenders out of prison.

 

So build more prisons. LOTS AND LOTS of more prisons.

 

Background checks, banning gun ownership by convicted felons, licencing and regulation of gun manufacture and sales plus all of the things done to try to reduce violent crime in general. How effective (or indeed counterproductive) all the various efforts are is a different matter.

Where did I say you said the problem is too many guns? You’re in the Gun Control section talking about gun crime rather than a general section talking about violent crime. You’re focusing on the “gun” part rather than the “crime” or “death” part.

I don’t think there is an answer to that. Can you give a number of gun deaths you’re consider not to be a problem? Aren’t there too many “car deaths”, “heart-attack deaths” and “drowning deaths” too?

Focusing on numbers, especially raw numbers out of context, is of limited benefit. Problem like this are addressed by looking in to root causes and underlying issues and, with something like “gun deaths” they’ll tend to be much wider and deeper than that outcome alone.

 

Yes there are too many car deaths. Many things are being done to improve car safety every year. Yes there are too many heart attacks. Doctors work very hard to reduce this number every year. What is being done to reduce gun deaths?

 

Are these people who commit suicide not legal gun owners?
I thought you were for legal gun ownership?
You can't prevent a legal gun owner from shooting themselves.

 

Who has control over the power of the veto?

What happened when Dems has control over both houses and the Presidency?

What are the Dem controlled high crime cities doing about gangs and drug related crime except continually pushing to disarm the law abiding?

...I notice, still no one wants to address the hypocrisy and deflection when abortion deaths vs gun deaths are mentioned... It seems some forms of killing are OK...

 

Actually you can do a lot. If any doctor could TEMPORAIRLY revoke your right to own a gun based on an active mental health issue this could help.

 

Nothing.

 

Do you have any stats to prove how many of these people that commit suicide are under doctors care, and that the doctor suspects that they are a danger to themselves?
What is the protocol for doctors that suspect their patient is a danger to themselves?