What is the right number of Gun deaths for the US?

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  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Hahahahahahaha

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    Do you know this? Alpha mike foxtrot. Lol
     
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    Change in illicit drugs. There actually has been a fall throughout the world in violent crimes since 1993
    http://www.economist.com/news/brief...rime-even-face-high-unemployment-and-economic

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
     
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    You have no special knowledge of small arms and it shows. If you did you'd share it and at least give an example that you know what you're talking about. You don't and you can't and most of us recognize it.
     
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    You tube

    All the dishonestly of used car advertising without the legislative controls

    Yeah - great resource

    I do not waste bandwidth on you tube "evidence"

    If you want to convince me link to a scientific research paper
     
  5. Vegas giants

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    What would you like to know. The muzzle velocity of the m4? I am qualified on weapons you have only seen in pictures. You are dismissed son
     
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    Please, you can google that up. Just more weak BS. BTW what's the color of the extractor booster of an M4? Much harder. You can find that on the internet too, but it will take you some time. I don't believe a word you say. Otherwise you wouldn't be so persistent.
     
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    You can look up the stats yourself. And I'm not sure science is involved with something like this. Stats however are. Do you care to disprove any of the stats given?
     
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    No, I mistyped, suicide by hanging increased (don't be stupid, we have been through these numbers before).

    In 1995, suicide by firearm was 16% of all suicides, hanging was 30%, poison 38% (total suicides 2368)
    In 2010, suicide by firearm was 7% of all suicides, hanging was 56%, poison was 22% (total suicides 2361)

    People decide to kill themselves and then decide upon the method. Removing one method does not change their decision, it does not resolve the problems that resulted in their decision to commit suicide.
     
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    Hey, at least our gun deaths per capita are 1/2 of Russia's.
     
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    :yawn:
    Prove that to be true.
     
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    Best question to ask a poser:
    On which side of he M4/M16 upper do you find the bolt carrier release?
     
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    I was gonna be a smart guy and post a link to a left handed Stag carbine. Never mind. There are no left handed M4/M16's.
    But for all of these questions being asked, wouldn't one just look at his AR? If it's Mil.Spec., they're the same.
     
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    Can I answer or is it to someone else?
     
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    there are more abortions performed after 20 weeks each year then there are those murdered by guns but you ask a liberal and they will tell you the numbers of abortions after 20 weeks are so small there should be no concern but make it sound like gun murders that are actually in lower numbers then after 20 week abortions is an epidemic
     
  15. Vegas giants

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    And many of them are to save the life of the mother. But I guess she should just die
     
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    Many of them are out of convience. And lets stay on topic.
     
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    20 weeks is still non viable. Flush away
     
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    it is less then .2%
    want to know how many lives are saved every year by guns according to the white house own study over 100,000
    it is you that want people to die by taking away their means of protection
     
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    I don't care if it is 99%.
     
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    that's not true and I used to work as an escort for the Planned Parenthood where my mother was a director. VERY few abortions are based on the life of the mother

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    true-facts mean nothing to gun restrictionists because public safety has nothing to do with what really motivates restrictionists
     
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    Really??

    Yes abortion to save the life of the mother is rare but more commonly is abortion because the foetus has an abnormality incompatible with life or at least a reasonable quality of life

    However abortion is prevention of a possible life whereas shooting is termination of an actual life
     
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    There is no "white house study" and it did not come up with the 100,000 figure

    You are MORE at risk with a gun in the home than without one
    http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24028252
    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.short

    and here
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

    where this is just priceless

     
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    CDC Gun Violence Study’s Findings Not What Obama Wanted

    The study, which was farmed out by the CDC to the Institute of Medicine and National Research Council, also revealed that while there were “about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” the estimated number of defensive uses of guns ranges “from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

    Here are a few more salient points from the study:


    • “Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.”


    • “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”


    • One “body of research” (Kleck and Gertz, 1995) cited by the study found “estimated annual gun use for self-defense” to be “up to 2.5 million incidents, suggesting that self-defense can be an important crime deterrent.”


    • “There is empirical evidence that gun turn-in programs are ineffective.”

    http://www.investors.com/cdc-gun-violence-study-goes-against-media-narrative/


    and the studies you posted all padded the numbers with gun suicides you remove those from the equation from all those studies you linked their conclusions fall apart
     
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    Knew someone would post a cherry picking from the CDC report

    It did not say that

    http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#16

    Remembering this was only to recommend further research not as a basis for policy

    Advice for Life - if the article you are reading only uses select short sentences then it has in all probability been cherry picked to a fare thee well and is about as honest as a snake oil salesman
     
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    it is not cherry picked the estimates range from just a little over 100,000 a year to 2.5 million a year and incase you didn't notice I used the low estimate of 100,000 a year and that is three times more then gun deaths a year
     

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