What Republican could possibly run for President next?

What don't you understand

2000q3 0.3
2000q4 2.4
2001q1 -1.3
2001q2 2.6
2001q3 -1.1

It's your claim. Which of his policies caused the contraction and recession and be specific.

You do know being snarky does not prove your case? In fact makes you look quite foolish. I'm a conservative independent.

 

We can start with his combination of foreign policy starting wars and his economic policy of cutting taxes, thus going into debt during what was actually a prosperous time for our economy. And idealism like this turned out to be a bit short-sighted... "We're creating... an ownership society in this country, where more Americans than ever will be able to open up their door where they live and say, welcome to my house, welcome to my piece of property." - President George W. Bush, October 2004.

Then take this as constructive criticism: your independence is totally drowned out by your defense of GOP leaders and utter vilification of Democrats. I mean, Clinton was a D-bag but his economic policies were effective. Bush was by far more man of the people, but he didn't understand dick about how to lead a country in the 21st century.

 

The Dem candidate only has to appeal to the Dem voters in the Blue States. The Repub candidate has to appeal to the Dem voters in California. The Repubs can run any idiot and he will still carry all of the Red States. In fact Romney gained two more States than McCain carried. Since the Repubs have to win in California they are trying to divide it up into six new States. If they are successful then they can win the Presidency without too much trouble.

The Dem candidate doesn't need any Red State to win the Presidency so he (or she) doesn't even have to campaign there or worry about the poll numbers. It's irrelevant.

The Repub candidate doesn't have to campaign in any of the Red States. He will win them anyway. He should spend his time in California, Pennsylvania, and Illinois. He can't win without California and one other large State or without California and two smaller States.

 

OK how specifically did that cause the contraction and recession of 2009 8 years after the start of the wars and please be specific this time and back up your assertion.

Which resulted in kick starting the economy into high gear producing 52 months of full employment and soaring tax revenues and lowering of the deficit to a platry $161B. How exactly did that cause the contraction and recession of 2009?

The deficit returned during the slowdown/recession that began before he took office. It hit a peak of $400B in 2004 and then he and the Republicans lowered it to that paltry $161B. How specifically did that cause the recession of 2009?

Yes and had Congress passed his housing plan we would not have been in the mess we got into and Obama has failed to resolve. Do you even remember what he was proposing?

Spare me, you are in no such position.

What economic policies? He only had one and that was his 1993 tax increase which slowed down the rapidly accelerating recovery he inherited. It took Gingrich and Kasich forcing him to sign tax rate cuts to get it back in order producing double digit growth in tax revenues and the surpluses.

He was certainly doing a good job until the Democrats took over and look at the mess we are in now.

 

You lost what did I win?

 

What does the Bush failures in both domestic and foreign policy have to do with a potential GOP presidential candidate in 2016? Yes, Bush sucked and so did the GOP presidential candidates in 2008 and 2012 so who would be a good candidate in 2016 is really the question being asked by the thread.

Rand Paul - Fail
Paul Ryan - Fail
Perry - Huge Fail
Christie - Fail
Jeb Bush - Too many Bushs already.
Ted Cruz - Not a Natural Born Citizen (born in Canada and not US) and he's a nutcase anyway.

So what other possible candidate can the GOP put forward? God help us if Hillary is elected (and because I don't believe in god if Hillary is elected we're screwed once again).

 

McCain did not suck. It was the horrific thought of Sarah Palin taking over if something happened to him and the epic failure of the Bush administration that doomed McCain.

 

While Palin was unquestionably an anchor around McCain's neck there were many Republicans that simply believed he was a political dinosaur. Anecdotally my parents, life-long Republicans (living in Arizona), thought that McCain's politics were lost in the Cold War era and no longer relevant in 2008. Many other Republicans and far more "independents" agreed with that assessment of McCain which is probably the real reason he lost in 2008.

BTW Do you remember that when McCain and Obama presented "budgets" if elected that McCain's had a higher deficit than Obama's? I remember that although the crash of the housing market in 2008 ulitmately made both campaign proposals moot.

 

You seem to forget the Bush years sucked during the slowdown and recession he inherited but helped to get us out of and then after the Dems took majority control of government.

They didn't suck near as much as the guy that won but of course I am talking about what kind of President they would make not how cool they could be.

Compared to the only sure candidate the Dems have and one possible, each would make a better President. And Cruz is a natural born citizen via his mother's citizenship. US Code.

What others do the Dems have, Clinton could VERY well get herself in trouble LONG before nomination time and it sure ain't going the way she had hoped it would. Warren is more an idiot than any of the potential Rep and a few governors who could run, when people realize it's Obama double downed they'll have nothing of her.

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Turned out Obama's was $1,400B didn't it and then he and his fellow Dems kept it over $1,100B for four years and it's still 50% higher than any Bush/Republican deficits.

 

Here is a couple of names to consider and its who the Repubs wanted back in 2008 and 2012.

Mike Pence.....Another would be Mitch Daniels.




Michael Richard "Mike" Pence (born June 7, 1959) is an American politician who has been the 50th Governor of Indiana since 2013. A Republican, Pence previously served as a member of the United States House of Representatives from 2001 to 2013. Pence served as Chairman of the House Republican Conference from 2009 to 2011.

On May 5, 2011, he announced that he would be seeking the Republican nomination for Governor of Indiana in 2012. On November 6, 2012, Pence won the gubernatorial election. Mike Pence was mentioned as a possible candidate for President in 2008 and 2012. In September 2010, Pence was the top choice for President in a straw poll conducted by the Value Voters Summit.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Pence

 

Depends on what economic mess you are talking about. His tax breaks led directly to the Wall Street meltdown of 2008.

 

Of course they did nothing of the sort, but they did creating soaring tax revenues with which they lowered the deficit to $161B and handed that over to the Democrats and Obama who ran it up to $1,400 almost a 9 fold increase in two years. That along with the Dem mortgage house of cards collapsing on them is what ruined the economy. And then of course the full recovery Obama has kept us out of for 6 years now with still horrible unemployment and unacceptable deficits still 50% higher than the worst Bush/Republican deficits.

 

I don't know.. Maybe Rob Portman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Portman

 

When will you guys understand the Presidential election process? It doesn't matter who the Repub candidate is in the Red States. Any Repub will win those States even if he's a complete idiot and dead.

What matters is the Repub candidate has to be more appealing to the Dem States than the Dem candidate is. There are not enough Repub voters in the Blue States to make a difference, except in a couple of smaller Blue States. And even if the Repub candidate wins in those smaller States he will still lose the election. For example, Obama could have lost Ohio and Florida and he still would have won. That's why the Repubs are trying to divide California into six smaller States.

 

There is that point.

I was in Northern California recently where there are many that support the State of Jefferson initiative. It is ironic if in nothing other than name because Republicans are about the last to support some of the political ideologies of Thomas Jefferson. For example Jefferson believed that people had a "Right to Immigrate" to the United States. How many Republicans today advocate an open border policy? Jefferson opposed religion in government and Republicans revolt at the thought of not including "Christianity" as a part of government.

We've also seen extensive efforts by the current "Red States" to curtail and disenfranchise minority voters with new voting laws. The GOP officials in Florida openly admitted that these were basically racist (i.e. Jim Crow) voting laws to suppress the minority vote that typically votes for Democrats. They're trying to cling on to those Red States anyway possible and even Texas, a Republican stronghold, is slowly turning Blue because of the demographic changes to the state population.

 

Another who is thinking of throwing his Hat in the Ring.....is John Kasich Governor of Ohio. Who btw has funds. Also if he does make the dash.....then the Demos would lose Ohio for sure. At least for this next cycle.

 

The United States and the Democratic Party continue to become more diverse as the aging GOP further racially and regionally circumscribes itself. Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 89% of Republicans nationwide in 2012 and 60% of Democrats. 22% of Democrats were Black, 13% Hispanic.

Three-quarters of Romney's electoral votes came from the old Confederacy and border states, and as long as moderates continue to vote overwhelmingly Democratic, the shriveling Republican base will continue to strut its righteousness through blustering demagogues in radioland, not in the self-governance of the real America.

Randy Paul seems to be the only GOP politician with national ambitions who confronts that reality. He is showing respect for Black and Hispanic fellow Americans, and attracting the support of young Americans. His speaking truth to mephitic party remnants like Cheney symbolizes an auspicious break with a doomed, distasteful past that some would contrive to keep on life support ad infinitum despite that pervasive stench of advanced decomposition that attaches to its apologists.

He deftly dispatches wannabes Ricky Perry, Carnival Cruz, and Chris Christie, and adroitly finessed Jebby Bush's gushy effusiveness regarding illegal immigrants rather than resorting to the typical Republican demonization of millions of hard-working folks.

Republican politicians, despite public loathing, are structurally positioned to do well in November's congressional elections. 2014-2016 will constitute the Angry White Guys' swan song, but Randy is already insuring that not all God's chil'in got a place in that ill-fated choir.

Paul said those who have questioned the President's approach to the recent surge in violence should ask the same questions of those who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq: "Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?"

 

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