What should be subsidized besides health care?

I bet my computer you use public roads, public lighting, parks, ...that you have or will at some point benefit from public education, judicial system, police, ...

That statement sounds "gruesome". However, it means nothing.

 

I want you to pay your share of the bill. What else?

 

That's fine, man. But as I said, I never asked for any benefits, so it's impossible to call me a freeloader.

Actually, it means that positive rights are illegitimate because they can't be enforced without violating negative rights.

 

Is that supposed to be "breaking news"?

 

In my opinion a "right" of a billionaire to all of his/her property is much less important then the Right to Life of thousands of people who can be helped with a Billion dollars.

 

Your share as much as my share, dollar for dollar?

 

But you want subsidies for yours.
That's not buying your own

 

Who said anything about government mandates?

Pay attention! Try to keep up! You're lagging behind.

 

Everyone has a right to not have their life violated by anyone else. Billionaires as well as the rest of us. It is one of the most fundamental negative rights: Don't mess with other people's bodies or possessions.

 

Right to life is a restraint on government taking your life.

 

Exactly. A negative right. The only legitimate sort of right.

Although I would say that it is a restraint on anyone taking one's life.

 

Oh, great, government won't mandate that I pay for you.
Why do you so easily destroy your own arguments?

 

Sure. You never asked to be born in this country. You could've been born in Honduras and tried to come here in a Caravan after your family had been randomly targeted by drug dealers and been turned away by Trump again and again, and separated from your family, and being persecuted by the drug cartels in Mexico until finally you managed to jump a fence, and turn yourself over to ICE so you could apply for asylum...

That's a sorry excuse. You just as happily take advantage of the benefits. I'm not saying you're a freeloader if you pay your taxes. But you would love to be one. Sorry fella.... you like the advantages of this society? You pay for them. You don't want them? There are many places where you can avoid paying taxes to the government. Somalia comes to mind. If not, there are still plenty of uninhabited islands in the Pacific.

That's right. At least in this country, you have to pay your taxes.

 

Most people are sheepish and hesitant to admit that they are advocating the the initiation of violence against their fellow man.

 

That's age discrimination right there buddy! You're telling me I've gotta wait another 17 years just because of my age? Shame!

 

That's Fine, Man. And that is exactly what I have been saying all along. Your positive rights require the violation of negative rights. Your right to health care requires the violation of other people's rights to their person and property not being violated. Therefore, it can't be a legitimate right. It is simply theft and slavery.

 

I have no idea how much you pay in taxes. Send me your tax return and I'll tell you.

 

Rule of thumb: every time you make an assumption... you will be wrong!

Actually, more like "law of nature" than "rule of thumb"

Do you know how I know this? Because all your assumptions come from right wingnunt media!

 

You mean what you assume are my arguments.

Or.... to be more accurate: what the Hannity/Fox/Limbaugh misinformation bubble tell you my arguments are.

You should try thinking by yourself. Allowing ignorant radio pseudo-journalists to think for you doesn't make you look good.

 

Which is nonsense, but... if it makes you happy. Let me tell you this: Universal healthcare doesn't mean you loose your right to not have health insurance. Or to not pay for it, if you so choose. You retain that right. Just like you retain your right to not pay taxes. I already gave you the solution: an uninhabited island in the Pacific!

 

Universal healthcare insurance (a positive right) requires the violation of people's person and property (negative rights). So as I said, there can be no positive right without a violation of negative rights. That's Fine, Man, but that's just the nature of the two different kinds of rights.

 

You just don't want to be required to pay rates you think others should pay, as you think you have a "right" to their money

 

He's arguing on a fourth grade level. He has no philosophical concept of rights.
Probably thinks the constitution grants us rights.

 

Yes, I am aware that there are certain individuals who demand money on pain of kidnapping, imprisonment, or death.

They are violating negative rights in order to impose positive rights.

No legitimate right can require the violation of another right.

 

To put a Feyn point on it, Man, it doesn't grant a right to health care, that's for sure.