What the biggest employment problem in the economy?

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Which of these do you think is the biggest problem in the economy?

  1. Not enough of the good types of jobs

    3 vote(s)
    8.1%
  2. Wages for the jobs that already exist are too low

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    10.8%
  3. Costs of living are too high

    4 vote(s)
    10.8%
  4. All three of these things are big problems

    26 vote(s)
    70.3%
  1. danielpalos

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    They are not unrelated. Our tax burden would be lower, without our expensive but useless, war on drugs.
     
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    It would also be lower if we closed National Parks or de-funded Obamacare.



     
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    We have a welfare clause.
     
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    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you do not understand it.



     
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    I understand that the right likes to complain, but not acquire and possess, a clue and a Cause; too much work.
     
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    Gibberish.



     
  7. Ndividual

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    You appear to be the one perpetually complaining, and I can't believe you are anything but left wing.
    The remainder of your sentence doesn't make much sense no matter how you parse it. Perhaps you might want to try and post something meaningful in the future?
     
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    too much work; i got it, Person on the Right.

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    I always do; it is the Right that fails to acquire and possess, a clue and a Cause. And, their responses prove it.
     
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    You still are failing to make any sense.
     
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    You simply don't understand the simple concepts. It is about structural forms of unemployment and solving for a natural rate of unemployment by using socialism to bailout capitalism, like usual.
     
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    Yes, and that is what we did until the Reagan Revolution led us into this insane economic model. Which way worked out best for working and middle class people, the MAJORITY of people in this nation? The way our economy was run from 1947 to 1980, or from 1980 til 2016?

    Discerning which model was better for americans is so easy to see, you could do it even if you were blind in one eye, and could barely see out of the other one.

    We started protecting American industry and working people beginning with Washington. For it is mathematical certainty, that any nation can only employ the max number of its people when they first and foremost make what they consume for an income high enough to buy what they are making.

    So, every job sent offshore, that disallows American to make what they consume will result in either no job, or a service sector job that requires welfare in able to just survive.

    If tariffs did not work, they would have been stopped long ago. Tariffs are the only way you can protect your own industry and working people from nations that have slave labor, who do not pay their workers enough to buy what they are making.

    Common sense never changes. Globalization is nothing but an tool that benefits only the elites, in that it maxes at their income and profits, by exploiting poor people for labor, which is not a living wage. It's inconvenient to the right wing mind, but Truth doesn't move towards such minds, but away from them.
     
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    Are you referring to NAFTA, which was supported and signed into law by Bill Clinton?

    You need to recognize that some raw resources must be imported for production within the U.S. and their prices can be raised in retaliation of tariffs on finished products exported from those countries. While the U.S. may possess some of the rare earth metals which much manufacturing is dependent on such as lanthanium oxide, a mineral used in refining petroleum, or neodymium, samarium and dysprosium which are necessary for the manufacture of jet fighter engines, antimissile defense systems, night vision goggles and smart bombs, among other advanced military systems as well as computers, cell phones, flat-panel televisions, petroleum refining, automotive catalytic converters, wind turbines and electric vehicles, locating their deposits would require mining of currently protected Federal lands. Then there is gallium, cobalt, titanium, chromium, silicon and nickel used in defense and energy technologies and many high-tech consumer products which we consume more than we can produce and therefore must import.

    The people of other nations have been rising in their ability to compete with what we call the developed world nations and as such they are now able to compete more equally productively while their cost of living remains far below that of nations who have tried to maintain equality between their least and most productive inhabitants by subsidizing their existence which has created massive debts held by Federal, State and local governments offset by inflation which only exacerbates the problems resulting in a diminishing middle class.

    We can barely compete in a world market today, and we would quickly go bankrupt were we to try and survive without trading with other nations as we would be unable to produce much of what we consume without importing many of the raw materials needed for production.

    Our largest economic problem is a growing number of consumers who are being provided their needs of survival by government taxation of the diminishing number of producers whose wages, spending and taxes are being increased as a result of inflation and government borrowing accumulating debt for future generations to contend with.

    Sorry, but globalization is here to stay and maybe Marx was right, "from each according to their ability, to each according to their contribution." Eliminate 'welfare', and replace it with 'workfare' paying people for the value of the work they are performing allowing ones needs to be met "as best they can" by the work performed.
     
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    definitely the fault of the capitalists - everybody knows it though many do not have the integrity to say so
     
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    ''What the biggest employment problem in the economy?''



    Low wages. Increase them and the economy will be greatly stimulated:


    http://www.occupydemocrats.com/2016...e-this-state-leads-nation-in-job-wage-growth/



    After Enacting Highest Minimum Wage, This State Leads Nation In Job & Wage Growth



    Republican politicians and their corporate backers have long fought against the raising the minimum wage, which has been stagnant for decades. Billionaire Donald Trump, who began his career with a “small $1 million loan,” somehow argues that “our wages are too high.” Marco Rubio asserts that “in the 21st century, it’s a disaster. If you raise the minimum wage you’re going to make people more expensive than a machine.” Ted Cruz thinks that “if you raise the minimum wage, the inevitable effect will be, number one, young people will lose their jobs or not be able to get their first jobs.”

    Of course, none of these doomsday opinions have anything to do with facts or reality. The state of Washington raised its minimum wage to $9.47 in January 2015; the city of Seattle has begun phasing in a minimum wage of $15 an hour. Contrary to the naysayers, the state is “far outpacing” the nation in both employment and wage growth. Employment grew by 3.7% during the fourth quarter of 2015, mostly in the industries of “construction, information technology, professional services, and leisure and hospitality industries.”

    Private sector analyst group ADP gave Washington an index score of 117.9 on their annual Workplace Vitality Report – 11 points higher than the rest of the nation. While Republicans, FOX News, and Koch-funded think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute constantly warn of horrific job losses and an economic cataclysm, in reality they are simply terrified of having to pay their workers a fair wage and give up having the government subsidize their poverty wages. It’s clear that the anti-minimum wage campaign is nothing but a conspiracy by multinational corporations and the oligarchs to keep funneling money to the very top – at the expense of the American economy as a whole and the well being of the American middle class.
     
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    You think that is bad, even the Judiciary is unwilling to promote social Justice regarding equality before the law as it concerns a federal Doctrine and our own State laws regarding unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

    Why no drug test or psychological examination, for them?
     
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    Correlation is not causation. But, if we follow your logic, why not raise the minimum wage to $50/hour? That would raise all ships so high as to create massive prosperity, right?
     
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    America created the world market as it is today because it is the richest with the most natural resources of any other country.

    Yea we need to import some things, but that does not mean we need to sell out our middle class to do so with the loss of good paying manufacturing jobs.

    The only reason why America is stupid in trade deals as Donald Trump says, is because we don't use that leverage to negotiate with reasonable tariffs.

    And the reason we don't is because it makes a very few people very rich, who own businesses that trade with foreign lands since they get cheap goods made from the state sanctioned slavery of foreigners.

    If we raise tariffs it could encourage labor rights in foreign lands if globalization is to stay, and have a more equitable distribution of wealth of all countries.
     
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    ...Capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment. Why not solve for it on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

    We can use socialism to bailout capitalism like usual, like was done in 1929.
     
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    supply side has been proven that it works. demand side has never proven to work. we have two times as proof supply side works the JFK tax cuts in the early 60s and Reagan Tax cuts in the early 80s both times those cuts produced a booming economy we tried supply side twice once with FDR and now with Obama both were failures

    let me ask you a simple question that will prove demand side theory is fail
    if you take twenty dollars from a store owner and give it to one of his customers to spend in his store which the customer does. Did that grow that store owners business?

    what grows economies is the creation of wealth not the redistribution of it
     
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    You are engaging in special pleading. What if the Person who that store owner gave twenty dollars to, goes to the easy and convenient store, next door. Or, that we achieve equal protection of the law regarding employment at will, and unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines. Now, Persons with some money can demand more goods and more services than before, when they had only a poverty of money.

    Simply solving for simple poverty can engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy.

     
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    the store owner loses growth of his business but the convenient store gains growth they wash each other out
    and when you raise wages with out the market doing so it also raises the price of goods there for they wash each other out
    once again to grow an economy wealth has to be created not redistributed
    you cant dip water out of one bucket and pour it into another and because you have more water in the bucket you poured it into then claim i created more water
     
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    What if, anyone who is unemployed could simply apply for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis. Then, more persons would be spending more money, which will require more labor.
     
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    you cant dip water out of one bucket and pour into another then claim you created more water
    you have this problem of realizing where does the money come from to pay that unemployment
     
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    It is not a problem; general taxes on Firms, to help with market based metrics in the employment sector.
     
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    so just like I said you are dipping water out of one bucket pouring it into another bucket then trying to claim you created more water
     

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