What the biggest employment problem in the economy?

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Which of these do you think is the biggest problem in the economy?

  1. Not enough of the good types of jobs

    3 vote(s)
    8.1%
  2. Wages for the jobs that already exist are too low

    4 vote(s)
    10.8%
  3. Costs of living are too high

    4 vote(s)
    10.8%
  4. All three of these things are big problems

    26 vote(s)
    70.3%
  1. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    http://www.adpemploymentreport.com/2016/January/NER/NER-January-2016.aspx



    ADP National Employment Report: Private Sector Employment Increased by 205,000 Jobs in January

    ROSELAND, N.J. – February 3, 2016 – Private sector employment increased by 205,000 jobs from
    December to January according to the January ADP National Employment Report®. Broadly distributed to the public each month, free of charge, the ADP National Employment Report is produced by ADP® in collaboration with Moody’s Analytics. The report, which is derived from ADP’s actual payroll data, measures the change in total nonfarm private employment each month on a seasonally-adjusted basis





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    the economy is looking better all the time - thank you Mr Obama! :flagus:
     
  2. danielpalos

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    How can we correct for capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment and simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.
     
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    agree with the idea of too many college degree & the debts created in getting them

    too many handouts is true - especially to the wealthy elites


    but far too little business regulation and corporate welfare
     
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    The biggest employment problem in our economy is the number of people who are NOT employed but living off those who ARE employed.
     
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    How is that the fault of Labor and not Capitalists?
     
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    I agree. And the actual cause for this, is generally not acknowledged, and most times totally ignored on not only the right side, but far too many on the left side as well. Let me introduce you to something that was never mentioned in ECON 101, in the 1960s when I was in college getting a banking and finance degree. And probably not mentioned because at that time, the very idea that this nation would offshore a primary job creation engine, manufacturing, and the other fields that supported it like mechanical engineering, would have been treason and no American president would have ever signed anything that allowed it. But then here comes Reagan, bringing back the neoliberalism of the Gilded Age but with offshoring, and it created the hollowed out America of today. Thanks Reagan.

    So, to the major point of this post. And no one can negate or refute with intellectual integrity what I am about to say, which is simple common sense, which so many people simply do not have.

    Ok, any nation can only employ the maximum number of its own people, when that nation, a consumption based economy, makes what it consumes in goods and services. All private sector jobs involved making what we consume, first and foremost. NOW, if you allow a part of this economic model to be offshored, manufacturing, which is what provided our working people with living wages, you will never employ the maximum number of our own people, period, end of story. And so you have a built in unemployment, for even if we made most of what we consumed in goods, you would still not need every worker in order to do that. But if you no longer make what americans buy at walmart, the small consumer goods, you will have much higher levels of perpetual unemployment, period, end of story. And so there you are. And you cannot spin your way out of this hard fact. But people will try, the irrational, the village idiots.

    So pull out the purple fantasy fairy dust and have at it. Negate what is a mathematical certainty. Figures do not lie, but liars and embiciles can figure.
     
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    How is a lack of a Jobs Boom, the fault of Labor? Are Capitalists not making enough Capital in modern times.
     
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    How is it the fault of the Capitalists if they do not need the Labour?
     
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    I guess your solution would be a law to mandate all products be produced in and by the citizens of each Country in which they are to be sold/consumed, or apply stiff taxes and/or duties on all imports raising their price to what it costs to be produced within the U.S. at labour force wages?
     
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    They have more money now than ever before; where is our Jobs Boom? If they don't need one due to automation, then there is no reason to not tax them more.
     
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    It's here. Everything people in this country need provided is a job waiting for you.

    Just don't expect someone else to figure out how your efforts can be used to solve those problems, folks will not do that for you anymore. Jobs are all around you, the option to be an employee though isn't coming back.




     
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    In other words....the trickle-down and supply-side proponents of the 1970's lied to us. As did the Reaganomics proponents and theorists of latter years.

    And btw, that jobs boom which you imagine exists is just that......Imagined.
    Sure,...the Recovery Act and Obama's other policies may have reversed the jobs free-fall we were in;
    we're certainly in a much better spot than we were at the height of the recession,...but we still have a significant chunk of the labor force that is unemployed,
    and it's also a common known fact that many/more and more of the jobs that are around are of a lesser quality, support-wise, than jobs of the past,....
    and as we know through the automation discussions even these jobs are slated to go the way of the dodo before we know it.

    In such a case,...you expect folks to simply start creating their own jobs,...the only problem,...is that you expect them to do so without access to any resources!
    A society based off such expectations will not be sustainable.

    -Meta
     
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    The fed is discussing negative interest rates. If you have a solution to offer, resources are available.


     
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    That is the whole point about unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. Anyone can learn how to do something, eventually.
     
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    That statement is gibberish.



     
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    Nothing but diversion?

    Anyone can learn how to do something, eventually.

    That is the whole point about unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.
     
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    Yet so many in this country have learned to do nothing. You want to quit your job: you are free to do so. Work at your own will. Do not ask others to carry your lazy behind and pay our bills if you make that choice.



     
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    Isn't it sort of difficult to get a degree on twenty-six weeks of unemployment?
     
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    I found it much easier by first getting a job and keeping it, and had no debt when I finished.
     
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    It is. No one guaranteed you a degree. If you want to try and get one I suggest doing it before you enter the workforce. Or you can choose to do it the hard way.



     
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    Yes, but at what (opportunity) cost? What could you have done instead, if you had recourse to unemployment compensation, merely for being unemployed on at at-will basis in any at-will employment State, under our form of Capitalism.

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    Nothing but diversion? A person could take as long as they want and obtain enough degrees to command, a prevailing, market based wage.
     
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    Yes they can. They should not expect me to pay their bills while the do it.



     
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    Or me either.
     
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    Why not? You don't mind paying for a war on drugs.

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    You are already paying for it; all I am suggesting, is lowering our tax burden.
     
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    You are making an assumption about what I mind. But the fundamental problem is you are connecting two unconnected expenses.

    I don't mind paying for an Apple. That doesn't mean I don't mind paying for your comic book.




     

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