"What Was The Holocaust? What Actually Happened?"

and this personal attack took what, two days to think up

You are wrong Ms.... I did indeed read the article I said was spin not facts. I have already said that. Why would I feel guilty? If you have not been to stormfront, which I hardly believe, it is where you should be and no, you do not present truth, you present a warped picture based on flawed research with the intent to cause conflict. I suggest you are the person who in reality has a reason for guilt. You tried to pretend that there had been no antisemitism or homophobia in Germany in the 1930's and no persecution of Jews, homosexuals and those others considered inferior. No murder and sterilisation of the handicapped. Germany was such a cool state to you as the article I said was spin said and as you went off on one for. As such you are not even worth this reply. Enjoy your next temper tantrum but your propaganda does not come up to even the mildest scrutiny.

 

]Get over yourself.....you may sit on top of messages by the minute, but I have a life and responded to you when I read it this morning.

...and no, you specifically stated you did not read the "spin" when I called you out and asked you to state specifically what was spin.

You're a holycost peddler who resorts to name calling and wild accusations when your myth is torn to shreds. YOU are a dime a dozen out here and the more people like me keep you talkig, the faster the lemmings are waking up.

What is more disparaging and disgraceful to the dead and their families than to lie about the circumstances of their death....like telling them that their bodies were made into SOAP....or their skins into lampshades? Those are lies that even jews admit too now....were it not for Holycost Scholars, who you'd throw in prison for even THINKING, much less disputing reported facts, we wouldn't know.

...and not for nothing, but there was testimony at Nuremberg about those "facts" that we now know are lies.

so true

 

People cant seem to understand their media control,they always play the victim,
plenty articles of Jews crying about 6 million dying,suffering,holocausts,all before the war
If these articles dont raise a red flag,then you just cant think critically. It really isnt a hard trick to figure out once you know a few basic facts,like what typhus is,like why were the Jews being put in camps,like knowing that Jews declared war on Germany,and was suffocating them with economic sanctions,no food or medicine.

MARCH 24TH 1933 DAILY EXPRESS OF LONDON..."JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY"

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

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1919
" From across the sea 6,000,000 men and women are calling to us for help....6,000,000 men and women are dying ...in the threatened HOLOCAUST of human life....6,000,000 famished men and women..." 1919 Oct 31st 1919 THE AMERICAN HEBREW "The Crucifixion of the Jews must stop" p.582...Governor of N.Y. Martin H. Glynn
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1900
Leading Jewish figure in America Stephen Wise"There are 6 million living,bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism"............NEW YORK TIMES June 11th,1900 Rabbi Wise's Address p.7
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1915
Louis Marshall "In the world today there about 13,000,000 Jews,of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews who's lives are at stake,and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow." NEW YORK TIMES Jan 14th 1915 p.3 ...."Jews indifference to war aide rebuked"
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1919......... Felix Warburg ..."Jews suffered worst from war...poverty ,starvation disease of 6,000,000 souls
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1936 March 5th.... Chaim Weizman President World Zionist Orginization testified in front of an appeals commission..."It is no exaggeration to say that 6,000,000 are sentenced to be imprisoned in this part of the world."

http://www.whale.to/c/6_million_myth.html

 

The British government published the White Paper of 1939 by which a limit of 75,000 Jewish immigrants to the British Mandate for Palestine was set for the five-year period 1940-1944 to appease the Palestinian Arabs after the 1936–1939 Arab revolt but the policy was reversed in 1943 in the midst of the Holocaust and any Jewish refugee who reached a neutral country in transit would be given clearance for Palestine by the British government.

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/jewvicts.html

 

I don't think this is accurate. Can you provide a link?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a1140355.shtml

 

Dayum right it is.

 

Dalia Ofer, Escaping the Holocaust: Illegal Immigration to the Land of Israel, 1939-1944 (1990)

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/CulturalStudies/JewishStudies/IsraeliJewishHistory/?view=usa&ci=9780195063400

 

Your exert is not enough to clarify what was happening. It is from a book about illegal immigration which I know there was through the war and there also was after the war. I think if you want to start a post about Zionists helping European Jews during WW2 it would be best to start a new thread in the ME section. It is a separate issue to holocaust denial. With respect of which I was just reading this morning

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...speech-in-full-defending-the-union.2012061196

Ed Miliband. Leader of the Labour Party - Mum member of Jews for Justice for Palestinians

http://jfjfp.com/

 

Who died and made you boss? Just like a holycost peddler to try to control the flow of debate and discussion.

 

Nuremberg Show Trials

Quote:
From page 2 (Section 2, a & b) and page 3 of Erhard Milch’s spoken statement, sworn and notarized on 9 April 1947.

Generalfeldmarschall Erhard Milch

In this connection I would also like to convey the following facts: On 17 September 1945, Major Emery, an interrogator from England, whom I already knew as he was known in England, or “Englishman”, as he was known in Germany, sought me in my quarters in the Kaufbeuren Interrogation Compound. I suppose that his real name is different. He was, as he had once old me, a New York banker. He commanded the American interrogation group to which a Capt. Tracy (also a cover name, most likely) also belonged. The American interrogation group was located in the English interrogation compound of Camp 7. Mr. Emery asked me about my ancestry, meaning that if I were of jewish ancestry, be would be able to remove me from all further prosecution. As I informed him that his supposition was not pertinent, he thought that be could not change things. The same gentleman visited me in Nuremberg on 5 November 1945, as I was just being questioned by an American interrogator. By chance I heard that it was a Major Mohagan (?). After a short conference, Emery Mohagan asked that we be left alone. Emery then said to me that if I were to make more favorable statements on behalf of Göring, Speer and the other accused in the International Military Tribunal, I must myself reckon with a war crimes trial against me. I replied that I took part in no war crimes and I could not see how I could be tried. Emery answered: “That is a small matter. If we wish, we could try every German, regardless if he committed crimes or not. Why do you want to stand up for Göring, Speer et al.? They would not do it for you, and I shall give you some good advice: It is in your own interests to testify against these people.” I replied that I could only tell the truth and that my person played no role in this matter, and that I did not fear a trial. Emery answered: “You must consider that you are still young, that you can again play a role, and that you must think of your family.”

Naturally I refused his offer, even if it were well-intended. With that he concluded that he could no longer be of any assistance. In this instant I knew that they would attempt to start a war crimes trial against me. I have also brought this matter to the attention of several comrades in Nuremberg as well as in Dachau, and also to the Swiss representative of The International Red Cross in Geneva, at that time.

(signed) Erhard Milch

The above signature of Erhard Milch, given at the Nuremberg Justice Building, before Attorney Dr. Friedrich Bergold, is hereby attested and witnessed by me.
Nuremberg, 9 April 1947
(signed) Dr. Friedrich Bergold
Defence Attorney for Military Tribunal II
Nuremberg

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The above is an all-important document proving clearly how brutal and unjust the Allies and their mostly jewish trial specialists were in laying trumped up charges against German leaders.


Eisenhoer's Death Camps
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch?v=Eei1Fs3l6Kc

 

Other_Losses isn't the only book describing the many All-lies war crimes.

http://www.talonbooks.com/books/other-losses


After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation


Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books
Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books
Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books

Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books



In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p161_Brech.html


U.S. (and French) abuse of German PoWs, 1945-1948

http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html


One Million German POWs Killed After WWII By US & France

http://www.rense.com/general19/gmk.htm


ELEVEN MILLION Germans Were Murdered AFTER WWII

http://www.rense.com/general85/mill.htm


Post-War Apology and Reconciliation

A retired officer in the US army has apologized to the German army for the mass deaths of German prisoners in US army camps after World War Two. Following extensive private investigations in the US and Germany, Merrit P. Drucker has sent an e-mail to Lt. Col. Max Klaar, head of the Verband der deutscher Soldaten (German Veterans’ Association), regretting the lethal conditions in the US camps where some 750,000 Germans died while they were denied available food and shelter.

Drucker has also formed a committee of six people, in Germany, the UK, Canada and the US to pursue further investigations and make amends by way of apologies to the families of the dead, and veterans’ institutions. Drucker’s first e-mail letter has been posted on the veterans’ website where there is also a questionnaire asking for details of prisoners’ internment.

The book Other Losses by James Bacque, which helped to set off the investigation, is being re-issued in an American edition in October. The launch will be held in Washington in the Marriott Hotel where Drucker plans to present a formal letter of apology to Klaar who is flying over for the occasion. Klaar will present in his turn a proposal for a peace treaty between the USA and Germany. It has 14 points. Two films about postwar Germany are included in the program.

Other Losses, a world-wide best-seller published in 13 countries, has been suppressed in the US for over 20 years. The new edition is being published by Talonbooks of Vancouver, whose editor, Karl Siegler, is the son of a former prisoner in a US army camp. When his father told him what had happened to him in the US camp, Siegler said, “I don’t believe you.” He changed his mind after reading Other Losses. Because of such sad events, Lt. Colonel Klaar has said that “Germany is a country of wounded souls.” Many Germans have already written to Major Drucker to thank him for taking a heavy weight of grief and guilt off their minds.

TIME AND PLACE Monday, October 31, 2011, at the Courtyard US Capitol Marriott Hotel, 1325 Northeast Street, Washington, DC 20002, (202) 898-4000. The meeting will be in the Congressional and Monument Rooms. Time TBA.

http://talonbooks.com/news/post-war-...reconciliation

 

Eisenhower Death Camp - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/verify_contro...=Eei1Fs3l6Kc

 

Barely one word of truth in the inane Videos .
The whole subject rests on a couple of writers finding a way of cashing in on gullible and immature people .
This joke subject ranks alongside , Elvis spotted on Moon , or Vicious Man savagely bites lion .

 

Nazi's were scum.....simple as that.

 

[video=youtube;YAWReQhtTBk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAWReQhtTBk&feature=related[/video]

 

[video=youtube;2cWn_GrCVqk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cWn_GrCVqk&feature=related[/video]

 

Nazi's were scum....simple as that.

 

According to some here the Jews made the Nazi's kill 6 million of them so they could create Israel.

 

But it’s human to look elsewhere for a culprit, and who better than the Germans? After all, we know that they’re ruthless, brutal, unforgiving, war-mongering, humourless, club-footed crypto-Nazis. Every last one of them. Villains straight from central casting. And how do we know this? The MSM, print, film and TV, have been drumming it into us for over half a century. And as every schoolboy knows, the MSM, and tenured academic faculty, don't lie, or engage in tendentious propaganda.

And what makes the Germans so dreadful? Well, for a start we know they started two world wars. Don't we? Well, no, actually, we don't. I don't think there’s a reputable historian today who’d make that claim for the First World War. That war arose from a whole range of drivers, not least the British determination not to let Germany build colonies in Africa.

But what about WW II, you know, the ‘good war’? Well again, even though German guilt, and exclusive guilt, is deemed beyond dispute, the facts say otherwise. We must remember that the Treaty of Versailles and its associated reparations reduced Germany to penury within a few years. It also stripped it of vast stretches of land which had been lived in by Germanic peoples for half a millennium. This in turn resulted in millions of ethnic Germans being forcibly expelled, without compensation, and forced to flee to Germany, which at that time was in total economic collapse.

Remember that pre-WW I Germany stretched, incredible as it may seem today, to the borders of present day Lithuania. Hitler had his eyes on getting that back, and a lot more beside. But he wasn’t the only political figure with revanchist goals. And many of them had what was left of Germany in their sights. Poland, Soviet Union, Slovakia (part of Czechoslovakia then), Hungary and the Yugoslav republics all had mini Hitlers with similar goals. They just didn’t have German brains and organisational strength to do it. Bear in mind too that the Poles thought the Germans army to be paper tigers, easily defeated.

And although the new Poland had taken over the German provinces of West Prussia, Posen (the Corridor) and East Upper Silesia, bringing more than 2 million Germans came under Polish rule, they wanted a lot more. Here’s Marshall Rydz-Smigly, Inspector General of the Polish Army, in a lecture to officers and cadets in 1937: "Poland wants a war with Germany and Germany cannot avoid it, even if it wants to." Marshal Jozef Pilsudski, Poland’s future dictator, was quoted as saying in 1930 to the League of Greater Poland "We are convinced that we cannot avoid a war between Poland and Germany. We must systematically and energetically prepare ourselves for this war. No prisoners will be taken in this war, and there will be no place for human feelings."

Now to the vexed question of the Germans and the Jews. It’s unquestionably accepted that nowhere were Jews better positioned than in Germany, arguably even compared to the United States, up to the time of the Nazis.Well, all of that’s true up to a point. As I mentioned earlier, Germany was a total basket case when Hitler came to power, and it’s reasonable to suggest that he would not have come to power had it not been so. Yet once he was elected to a coalition government, where he had to share power, the Jews of Europe and America declared total economic war.

American Jewish leader Samuel Untermyer declared “the Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business." For good measure he added “Germany [has] been converted from a nation of culture into a veritable hell of cruel and savage beasts. Now or never must all the nations of the earth make common cause against the... slaughter, starvation and annihilation... fiendish torture, cruelty and persecution that are being inflicted day by day upon these men, women and children.”

Bear in mind that at this time there had been no anti-Jewish outbreaks of any significance, nor had there been any anti-Jewish legislation whatsoever. No surprise then that Germany’s Jewish leaders were strongly opposed to the boycott. Given this boycott, the rumours of the ‘stab in the back’ during WW I, and the overwhelming Jewish involvement in drawing up the draconian terms of the Versailles Treaty, it would be surprising if Hitler had not a rich compost in which to embed his plans for the Holocaust. Where six million Jews died. In the gas chambers of Auschwitz and elsewhere.

Well, do the research, as I did. The six million figure has been quietly dropped to about 1.5 million, and we now know the ‘gas chambers’ at Auschwitz could not have been used for extermination. Cremation yes, extermination, no. What about the iconic photos of bodies piled high at Belsen? Again, do the research. They died overwhelmingly of disease and starvation arising from the Allied blockade. And gthen there's the extensive co-operation between the Nazis and Zionist interests during the thirties, geared towards the compatible goals of getting 'rid' of Germany's Jews and heloing them to move to Palestine. Again, check it out. I suggest that these are the reasons it’s been made a crime to question the Holocaust: It just doesn’t add up.

Despite this, Germans have become synonymous with genocide. They’re reminded of it ceaselessly. The beat themselves up on it. They flagellate themselves. But not the Turks. They make it a crime to say the did carry out genocide - against the Armenians in this instance. They don't apologise. When some good hearted people set up a monument to friendship between Turks and Armenians on the border, the Turkish people of Kars tore it down. We hear little of this, partly because Jews, having cornered the market on genocide (and the attendant reparations) didn’t want a competitor in the field. And the Turks weren’t taking any of this (*)(*)(*)(*) anyway.

Confused?

I hope so.

Hopefully I've shown enough here to make you question the prevailing concept of the evil Germans. They’ve been traduced, vilified, bled dry and reduced to an emasculated shadow of what they were. The facts show that they don't deserve it. Apart from one thing for which their guilt is beyond question: Their habit of bagging all the sun loungers and then heading off to the beach for the day. Guilty as charged.

 

Nazi's and Nazi sympathizers are scum.

 

Holycost peddling liars are scum.

 

German nationalist racism, like Jewish racism, soon turns under pressure into mass-murder. The detail of the camps we now have may well be mistaken, and laws about what people are allowed to say don't help establish the facts. Clearly some concentration-camp bosses were forced to give dubious figures too. Millions of Russians, 'Jews' and much of the decent poilitical leadership of the European working class were murdered by the capitalist-supporters in Germany, however, and I don't think that can seriously be denied. I think the subject should be opened up to rigorous discussion. It should never be allowed to be some sort of zionist monopoly: hateful things happened, and the truth about them should be established while some people still remember.

 

Nazi's and Nazi sympathizers are scum.

 

Holycost peddling liars are scum.

 

Holocaust deniers are useful idiots.