What You Want to See from Governing Entities Regarding COVID-19

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Meta777, Jan 15, 2022.

  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2011
    Messages:
    15,637
    Likes Received:
    1,739
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As in... What would you like to see, if anything, from Congress/Biden Administration/State Governments etc. when it comes to combating COVID-19 and or any lingering economic impacts?

    [​IMG]

    So... for anyone who's been living under a rock lately, the entire globe has sort of been embroiled in a world-wide pandemic for well over two years now. In just the U.S. alone, the death toll is well on its way to exceeding 850k. For contrast, that's several thousand more than twice the number of Americans that died in the Iraq War, the Afgan War, and all of World War II combined...

    That said, the COVID-19 virus, as we initially faced it, had a relatively high survivability rate, at least compared to many diseases we've seen in the past, but it was always its propensity to spread rapidly from person to person that granted it the ability to wreck such overall devastation on our population. People, our friends, neighbors, coworkers, our family members, at the worst points of this pandemic, all died by the thousands on a daily basis. And the death rate is still uncomfortably high even now. This, despite the advent of vaccines and other medical treatments. With all that in mind, its really no wonder at all why there is such wide-spread agreement, here at politicalforum and elsewhere, that COVID-19 currently tops the list of issues we need to deal with?

    I'm sure that many of us were aware, or at least certainly we were told by the experts... that the COVID-19 virus would be with us, spreading throughout our communities for a good while to come. At the same time, by this point, I don't think most of us were expecting that pandemic levels of infection would still be with us as well. Yet here we are...

    [​IMG]

    Speaking just of the U.S., Congress did of course pass that COVID Relief bill a little while ago, which attempted to address some of the economic concerns in relation to COVID among other things. And of course we have our vaccines now + things like monoclonal antibody treatments and now also the new COVID Anti-viral pills. Though given the limitations and side-affects of the latter, and the recent emergence of newer COVID variants such as Delta and Omicron coming onto the scene and complicating things, is all that really enough? With younger children, immunocompromised, and others unable to utilize the vaccines, the ever-present specter of breakthrough infections among the vaccinated, hospital capacities in many states still being overburdened, their staffs being overworked,
    and a large section of our population still unvaccinated, it would appear that we as country yet remain in a pretty tough spot. There do seem to be some promising signs on the horizon that we may be in the process of rounding the bend, but of course, this wouldn't be the first time during this thing that things have seemed that way.

    So given that predicament, I'd like to understand better exactly what sorts of specific policies and or actions people here would like to see from our government on the matter and to get a feel for what the consensus is on how congress, the current administration, and state/local governments might best handle the COVID-19 issue along with any of the ongoing economic impacts.

    At some point, I'll use the suggestions gathered from this thread to set up a Ranked Vote.
    See links below for more info on that:
    Ranked Vote: Discussion Thread (includes schedule)
    What To Do To Reduce Partisan Dysfunction In Politics
    Solutions Oriented Approach to Restoring Meaningful Civil Discourse

    So... what are your thoughts folks? What sorts of things would you like our government to be doing on COVID? Something to slow or stop the spread of the virus itself? Initiatives to provide treatments for those already infected? Investments in Health Infrastructure? Improvements involving testing, vaccine distribution, production, or advancement? Any mandates, regulations, initiatives, recommendations you want to see? Something more to address economic concerns? Knowledge sharing or communication outreach? International partnerships? Cost controls?

    Note that creative out of the box solutions are welcome here.

    Give your suggestions, your hopes, your wishes. What are things that are not happening now that you'd like to see started? Or of things that are already underway, what specific actions or activities do you want to see continued or accelerated? Are there any things you'd like to see stopped? Congressional bills, executive orders, information sharing etc. etc. What do you want to see?

    Looking forwards to reading your thoughts on this!

    -Meta
     
  2. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2011
    Messages:
    15,637
    Likes Received:
    1,739
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ideas so far:
    -Drop any and all mandates (including those that result in closed businesses, churches, orgs, and schools) [1][2][3]
    -Accept it is here to stay and Sit tight and wait for science to develop newer vaccines
    -Governments and private companies should form partnerships to develop new more effective vaccines
    -Tell people the truth and Be open and transparent about what treatments work and what don't [1][2]
    -Quarantine all infected persons until they are clear
    -If the disease appears in a city or a city block, Quarantine that area until clear

    -Require 5-7 day isolation after testing positive for Covid
    -Work on making vaccines and anti viral meds more readily available
    -Avoid prioritizing treatments on anything other than medical issues (e.g. no race-based considerations)
    -Help fund any vaccine that may actually hold off infection for a longer period of time
    -Provide additional funding for vaccine study to help develop better vaccines
    -Provide more access to tests

    -Prohibit both private and public employers from mandating/requiring Covid-19 vaccines for their employees
    -Prohibit schools from requiring Covid-19 vaccines for students
    -Mandate school districts to remove any and all masking requirements
    -Mandate that schools do not quarantine healthy students
    -Ensure tax payer investment is payed back by asking vaccine/test/mask companies to pay back additional taxes based on their profits

    -Educate people and encourage them to make better choices
    -Ration supplies (vaccines, masks, tests, ventilators, therapeutics, etc.) and distribute based on age and name

    -Government entities should stop using pharmaceutical company donations to fund research regarding their own products
    -Governments should continue with all current Covid mitigation policies
    -Mandate that all businesses be locked down and provide them with appropriate financial compensation
    -Provide 10 free K95 masks to everyone by mail until the Covid virus has been eradicated

    -Bring back fat shaming and encourage people to improve their physical fitness with exercise
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2022
  3. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    12,949
    Likes Received:
    6,727
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Open up completely all businesses, churches, orgs and schools. Drop any and all mandates.
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2022
    ButterBalls, Xyce, Eleuthera and 6 others like this.
  4. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2021
    Messages:
    7,224
    Likes Received:
    2,408
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Accept it is here to stay in some form...apparently viruses mutate to a lower level of danger even if it is more infectious.
    Sit tight and wait for science to develop a vaccine and treat it like annual flu. I have every confidence they will.
     
    Pants, Hey Now and Joe knows like this.
  5. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,884
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How about an all of the above approach instead of hanging everything on a vaccine that doesn't really do much of anything. Tell people the truth, quit treating us like we're children. Tell us the truth about what treatments work and what don't. Be open and transparent and let the damn chips fall where they may.
     
  6. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    quarantine all infected persons until they are clear, if the disease appears in a city, or a city block quarantine that area until clear.

    china has 3 cities under quarantine right now.
     
  7. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2021
    Messages:
    13,644
    Likes Received:
    10,031
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I would like to see the government simply work on making vaccines, and anti viral meds readily available and not prioritize them on anything other than medical issues. They also should help fund any vaccine that may actually hold off infection for a longer period of time. These vaccines don’t last very long and allow breakthrough infections. I think this would be improved dramatically. The mRNA vaccines while effective at keeping you alive does not keep you from spreading the disease because you can still get infected.

    So to put it in a simpler way
    * more access to tests
    * more study on vaccines
    * keep business open
    * keep schools open
    * no race based preference in treatment
     
  8. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2021
    Messages:
    13,644
    Likes Received:
    10,031
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You’re really in favor of communist style forced lockdowns?
     
  9. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    do you want to beat this disease or not?

    there is nothing "communist" about controlling disease. it is incredible that so many "patriots" refuse tp cooperate.
     
  10. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2021
    Messages:
    13,644
    Likes Received:
    10,031
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    To each their own. I would rather not risk freedoms. This disease won’t be beat. We need to stop trying that. This is something that’s never going away
     
  11. XXJefferson#51

    XXJefferson#51 Banned

    Joined:
    May 29, 2017
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    14,885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I agree. No mandates, no passports. Re open the rest of the country the way red states and counties are.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  12. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ridiculous.. the only reason its "never going away" is because of losers who will not do the simple little things that it will take.
     
  13. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    of course you agree.. you must do your own research.
     
  14. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2021
    Messages:
    13,644
    Likes Received:
    10,031
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Simple little things like what?
     
  15. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    more tests made trump's number look bad. aren't those numbers important?

    a better vaccine is probably possible, but nothing is 100%. under capitalism it is more important for a vaccine to be profitable than effective.

    businesses can remain open if the employees and customers take proper measures to protect each other.

    scjools can remain open as long as the teachers can protect themselves from the little super spreaders. mask and vaccine or lome school your own brats.

    lol. another "race based preference" post. isn't ivermectin working?
     
  16. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    wear a mask. get vaccinated. stay home if you are sick.

    we could have stopped climate change but a little conservation and maybe recycling is too much work for an american patriot.
     
  17. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2021
    Messages:
    13,644
    Likes Received:
    10,031
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I haven’t seen any proof that ivermectin works but you probably can look that up on your own.

    I haven’t seen a vaccine that’s more effective come from outside of the capitalist system. So maybe you can point to one that you would rather see that didn’t come from the capitalist markets

    a better vaccine is like very possible. We need to invest in these developments. And testing is good thing in my opinion. Why would you assume that it makes for bad numbers?
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  18. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2021
    Messages:
    13,644
    Likes Received:
    10,031
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think all that is good on a personal level. But to force it even though there is no study that suggests those things completely stop it so why mandate it?
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  19. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ivermectin probably does not work any better than drinking your own urine or bleach enemas.

    Cuba’s vaccine success story sails past mark set by rich world’s Covid efforts | Cuba | The Guardian

    testing is good. i don't care whose "numbers" look bad., here is a video of a cult leader speaking "truth to power ..."

    Trump on coronavirus testing: “When you test, you have a case” - Vox

    "TRUMP: "When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases." https://t.co/tEX1uXQbmp" / Twitter
     
  20. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    why does any one thing have to "completely stop it?" if you are expecting one "magic bullet" to splve any of these complex problems your pessimism is warranted.
     
  21. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,884
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And tomorrow it will be six and they'll still have covid spreading and for no good reason. Take care of the sick leave the well the hell alone.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  22. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    the sick were once well. "leaving them alone" only works with responsible adults.
     
  23. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,157
    Likes Received:
    16,884
    Trophy Points:
    113
    One your not going to beat the disease.
    Two locking people into their houses is pointless counter productive and at this point stupid. It simply doesn't work well if at all.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  24. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2011
    Messages:
    15,637
    Likes Received:
    1,739
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, we can certainly hope for that. With the Omicron surge it does seem to be less deadly (though still pretty deadly for many). If new variants follow that same trend and continue to result in fewer deaths per infection, getting to a point where it really is just seen and treated as no more than the flue doesn't really seem so unthinkable. We aren't there yet though. Regarding the development of newer vaccines, is that something you feel government should have any involvement in? Or is it something you think should be better left to private interests? And if government should be involved, do you think current funding priorities are acceptable or should there be shifts in where and or how much government support is provided to the development of those newer vaccines?
     
  25. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2011
    Messages:
    15,637
    Likes Received:
    1,739
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Can you expand on that a bit? I'm assuming you're not suggesting that we mirror China's policies exactly, right? So would this be like telling folks to voluntarily quarantine on their own? Would space be provided by governing entities to facilitate that? Would it be honor system type thing or would there be some sort of new enforcement mechanism to compel folks to do it? Also, what would quarantining a city/city block look like? Thanks,
     

Share This Page