Quite possibly. Studies have shown that they do present characteristic electromagnetic responses to disturbances within their environment. I don't speak the language of plants, so who knows whether they are actually expressing thoughts? Do you believe that humans are the only organisms with self awareness or higher thought processes? What "starts" life in a Gorilla, if they have no souls?
Interesting theory, although I actually watched a hour documentary on if plants had minds. Apparently they don't. BTW, who said Gorilla's don't have souls? They have psyche's, don't they? Don't put words in my mouth please.
Excuse me, I was not aware that you held a one hour documentary degree in biology. So then, the soul, in your opinion, is not unique to humans? Where then, is the break point? Do plants have souls? What about fish? Birds?
Everything is subjective. We cannot, for instance, see a single photon but we experience light through our senses which are interpreted by our individual brains. We are surrounded by atoms but cannot see even small clusters of them with the naked eye. Our individual perception is our own reality. Everything we sense, dissect, weigh, eat etc. is nothing more than what we perceive it to be.
Gorillas have souls, or minds. They are part of the drama which came to create mankind. Man's mind has been evolved through/with other species. Now, man has a Conscious mind that can understand Reality and form an image of Truth about it. But man now realizes that he has an Unconscious mind which holds the past history of his whole species inside its memory. This soul is very important. It remembers the Truth and we are now about to gain access onto it.
But we must admit that Reality remains the same for us all, in spite of our perceptions and/or false understandings of it. There is only one Reality which can be described by the concepts of Truth. So, Truth is lord that allows us to know Reality and understand how to adjust and live within it. Truth is the savior.
Our subjective perceptions of what things are.....are taught to us. We can never experience reality. Truth (IMO) is reflective of nurturing actions in organisms and organizations. Belief allows some to avoid entropy.
Are you implying that plants do have psyches? That is what it sounds like..... Please stop restating the same rhetorical questions. Things that have a psyche, possess a soul.
for sure. probs is that many thiests regard such things (souls and angels) as discrete, external, actuals. things which exist whether we 'think' them or not. since they assert that these things do exist, they must therefore have a considerable amount of information - to have arrived at this assertion. this is the information some of us ask for. - - - Updated - - - you have an interesting way of deflecting deeper questioning.
Deeper questioning? This is the sixth time he has asked this. I wrote long answers for the first couple times, but this is just ridiculous. He is either not reading what I'm writing, or having trouble understanding what has been stated. I can only clarify so many times, until I start to lose my patience.
you responded with something almost identical when I pursued a line of thought YOU introduced. the poster you responded to this time was asking a number of questions based on something YOU posted. if you don't want to be questioned about your ideas and beliefs, don't publish 'em.
What's the instruction manual say in the chapter on evangelism? Recruit them (save their souls!), but don't tell them ANYTHING. Just smilingly but vaguely keep referring to fluffy lambs, a protective sky daddy, and immortality - Ned Flanders style - and deflect any awkward questions by singing "kum-bay-yah"
None of us has 'a considerable amount of information' regarding reality. IMO its best to not rule anything out.
I wasn't referring to reality. I was referring to souls and angels meantime, since you opine that it's best not to rule anything out, does this mean you're open to the idea that satan is the good guy?
Satan is a Christian creation. If one is a true believer then Satan is as real as you and me. Personally I take a wider view that Satan represents entropy in the organism which is actually needed if one understands that these consciousnesses (we all individually seem to have) seem to be, dependent upon a certain amount of stress in order to be in balance which seems to be the most advantageous route for an organism to take.
Freud and Carl jung pretty much answered this matter of hearing voices from sources outside our own Conscious thinking, didn't they??? I told you this long ago. But you repeat the lame remarks here again. You are feeding your hope on ill will of other people who thought this idea was crazy until 1920, when psychology VALIDATED the ideas.
Rather weak analysis, today. We all know that the Libido can become master in our mind and make the decisions to do what is called satanic things that are terrible. Now we understand possession as it was called to be dominance by one of the archetypes inside our head.
... open-mindness is a good posture for us, and use of factual studies help determine what Reality actually may be, as we see Truth for what it is. This above sentence is the basis of Christian teachings since Christ is the ideal we call Truth, and his father is Reality.
OK, I understand that. IMO, an individual who cannot (for whatever reason) control their consciousness can be taken over by entropic forces which constantly challenge us. Libido is indeed a strong urge but it is neither good nor bad and can be quite effectively controlled by a consciousness that actually recognizes its (libido's) entropic attributes. If you want to assign a name and consciousness to those forces (Satan) that is your call and I don't really have a problem with it because we are all (or the vast majority) seeking to live our individual lives with the most peace and freedom we can.
HaSatan was used by the Jews for centuries long before 32AD. There is a concept in Judaism called the "Yetzer HaRah", which is the experience of being drawn towards self-centeredness, of creating a "Nefesh HaBehaima" (animal-soul) more than a Nefesh HaElokim (Divine soul), and as such HaSahtan, the experience of emnity is often related to as one's Yetzer HaRah.
Yes, that is what I do, "assign a name" based upon Freud and Jung's concerning what we now know as true aspects of our minds. I also use these same modern names to help understand what the ancient bible people were talking about: 1) Id = .............Lucifer 2) Libido =........Satan 3) Ego = ...........Mammon 4) Anima = .......Devil 5) Self = ...........Beelzebub 6) Superego = ...False Prophet 7) Harmony =....False Shepherd Conscience = The Good Shepherd = Brotherliness
I'm merely positing that it is no less likely for one life-form to have a soul than it is for any other. And so, you've traded one undefined word for another. Do you know which life-forms have a "psyche"? You have stated that souls definitely exist, in your opinion. And yet, you can't seem to tell me what this "soul" actually is.
