When assessing Trump’s guilt or innocence...

No. By "our" I mean the Trump administration's agencies.

Did they turn down the Hard Rock Cafe for their Christmas Party?

I do understand your desperate attempts at changing the subject given that, other than the "Lindesy Graham Defense", there is not really a way to defend the crimes of this President.

 

Yup! Trump takes care of business, with a little help from his friend!

 

When that fizzles, it will probably be back to Pussyhats and the "War on Women

 

That's hilarious!

 

oh many reasons, election violations with the Stormy ordeal for starters

but if lying about his having an affair with stormy or anyone else he has had an affair with was the sole reason for impeaching him... then you could compare it to what happened to Clinton

 

Actually he committed suicide... but either way, glad he is gone, the earth is better off with him

 

have to agree, some do not realize the errors of their own ways - on both sides

 

Who has admitted to a crime and who has defined anything as a crime? Is it not the duty of the President to end corruption that compromises American integrity?

 

We can always bet....I've offered that before. It won't get past the Senate! An honorable bet.

 

If you are saying that Clinton was impeached because he had an affair you are delusional.

But election violations are an interesting angle. First stop would be the FEC investigating campaign finance irregularities. So is there a current investigation of Trump's Stormy payments?

 

The Senate will determine that.

 

a sitting President can not be indicted, but hopeful after he is voted out, he will get his due process related to the stormy ordeal and any other crimes he may of done

 

the house will determine if he is impeached or not, the Senate will decide to fire him over it or not - when Republicans in the Senate give him a pass, it will be up to the people to fire him in 2020

 

What he accused of is very questionable and something the Democrats did in the past is election and something I get every President has done when dealing with leaders of other Countries.
How about the group of Dems that went to Ukraine in the past 1-2 years to try to dig up dirt on President Trump? That's no big deal to the House or Senate.

I don't care what did or didn't happen. The successes of the Trump Presidency is good enough for my continued support. He is unconventional but that is the only way to make needed changes in our Government.

Term limits are needed. These people are getting rich off their positions and many there way too long.

 

I don't bet but seriously, can you think of anything dumber than betting on Republican Senators acting honorably and for in the interest of their country before their own? But it doesn't need to pass the Senate. All they need to do is prove that he's a criminal to the American people.

 

Wrong! The American People will. One way or another.....

 

Clinton committed crimes and got away with it .

 

I don't know how you could still be asking this question.
The favor was to open an investigation on Joe and Hunter Biden. He also was withholding a Whitehouse meeting.
Zelensky didn't have to perform, though rumor has it he was about to because Trump got caught.
Doesn't matter if Trump was the first or the 50th. It was wrong.
Go back and listen to Biden again. He didn't get the guy fired to stop an investigation he got him fired for not investigating.

 

Oh, but they did know the aid was being held up. Check the release of the Hill and the Cols. testimony.

 

Taylor was the guy that made Sondland's memory come back. Or maybe it was a Purgery charge.
Good on Zaid.
Almost everyone except McKinley knew about Rudy.

Oh, almost forgot. Wasn't Manafort put in jail over the payments in the little black book?

 

If you are asking for my opinion, as I understand that it is human nature to fill in the gaps of our knowledge with our biases, I refuse to jump to a conclusion as to the guilt or innocence of Obama. To do otherwise would be biased. As I am not an expert on Constitutional law I take no position. It is predictable that Obama supporters (of which I am not one) will say he did nothing wrong (just as Trump supporters say Trump did nothing wrong) while those who stood against Obama will say he violated U.S. law (just as those who stand against Trump say that he violated U.S. law). Tribalism makes partisans predictable.

 

Just as Trump supporters are sure he is innocent. Both sides are biased which is obvious in their jump to conclusions previous to the conclusion of the impeachment process. The Senate republicans decided whether Trump is guilty or not the day the House began the impeachment process and the democrats have been out to get Trump from day 1. Both sides are rotten to the core with bias.

 

Uh oh ... now what?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/09/politics/trump-second-transcript-ukraine-call-zelensky/index.html

 

You know the answer to that. Only one person can tell the President's chief of staff to withhold funds approved by Congress. That would be the President.

 

Trump's latest distraction to his July 25th phone call to Zelensky that contains impeachable offenses? He is trying to get people interested in another phone call.

“I have the second call, which nobody knew about," Trump said, speaking to reporters as he left the White House on Friday morning. "I guess they want that to be produced also. ... I understand they'd like it, and I have no problem giving it to them."

He is desperately trying to get people's attention, but nobody is listening to him. No one is interested in the earlier call, and House investigators clearly are not interested.

"I guess they want that to be produced also. ... I understand they'd like it." No one has any idea what he is talking about.

Trump also said he was interesting in visiting Russia next year during the height of the election campaign.