When delay becomes denial

Man, you need to keep up with current events. There are now 52 excuses for the pause in warming. It is actually accepted by everyone except the true believers.

 

Is that what your puppetmasters in the fossil fuel industry tell you? LOL.

In the real world...

Global warming is unpaused and stuck on fast forward, new research shows
The Guardian
10 December 2013

 

LOL, one of the 52 excuses for the lack of warming.

 

There has been no lack of warming. That's a denier cult myth and fossil fuel industry propaganda meme.

GLOBALLY.....

* Sixteen years ago 1998 became the hottest year on record by a considerable margin.

* All of the hottest years on record have occurred since 1998.

* The coldest years since 1998 are still hotter than all of the hottest years before 1998.

* Currently 2010 is tied with 2005 as the hottest year on record, in records going back to the 1800s.

* 2013 was the fourth hottest year on record.

* The last decade was the hottest decade on record, as was the decade before that and the decade before that, in turn.

* This last November 2013 was the hottest November on record globally.

* This last April 2014 was tied with April 2010 as the hottest April on record globally.

* This last May was the hottest May on record globally.

* This last June was the hottest June on record globally.

* this last July was the fourth hottest July on record globally.

* This last July the 38th consecutive July and 353rd consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20th century average. The last below-average global temperature for July was July 1976.

* The Arctic ice cap is still rapidly melting away.

* Large areas northern permafrost are still rapidly melting.

* Greenland and Antarctica are still losing ice mass at increasing rates.

* The large majority of mountain glaciers are still rapidly melting and disappearing.

* Sea levels are still rising at an accelerating rate.

GLOBALLY....this is the actual temperature record.....


Global temperature (annual values) in the data from NASA GISS (orange) and from Cowtan & Way (blue), i.e. HadCRUT4 with interpolated data gaps.
One can clearly see the extreme year 1998, which (thanks to the record-El Niño) stands out above the long-term trend like no other year. But even taking this outlier year as starting point, the linear trend 1998-2013 in all four data sets is positive. Also clearly visible is 2010 as the warmest year since records began, and the minima in the years 2008 and 2011/2012. But just like the peaks are getting higher, these minima are less and less deep.
(source: RealClimate)

 

So here is Gisstemp and Hadcrut 4 both showing the pause. Hard to say temperature is increasing when it is statistically flat.



Here is Hadcrut 4 without the mean.

 

I don't know how you can repeatedly post such stupid observations...we've covered this before, you're incapable of interpreting a graph that a grade school student can read and tell you you're wrong ...and now there is your latest rewriting/denying a basic law of physics the Law of Conservation, according to you energy can just disappear!...

I don't know what to think? Are you really that scientifically ignorant or are you the king of idelogues?...

 

You mean you cannot understand that scientists are trying to explain the pause in global warming, very evident in the graph you don't think anyone but you understands? Of course what it shows is that natural variability is much greater than the CO2 centric meme thought but for a very few, the warming just has to be there somewhere so they are trying to find out where it is hiding. Nobody really knows but it is nice you think you do. You should contact them.

BTW, energy leaves the earth (you know, that old 2nd law of thermodynamics) and the CO2 centric meme says CO2 doesn't let it leave as quickly.

 

So RUDE to point it out though. And worse yet, if the folks awarding grant money wake up one morning and start seeing this kind of observational science in the newspapers, they might stop writing the checks that are just being used to confirm it!!

Do you know how IRRITATED those folks get when they write some big check to deliver their answer and the answer comes back as something else? Pissed off doesn't begin to describe their reaction.

 

Do you even comprehend how irrelevant your list of close in termperature records are? It is analogous to saying that the last 3 seconds are a record temperature!! When compared to the last 10 seconds!!

While I'm sure in some game show titled "how stupid can an american be" this kind of information has gotcha value, it is irrelevant to the question of natural climate variability, and how human CO2 emissions interact within that natural range of climate movement.

Without knowing the answer to one, you cannot answer the other with the level of certainty that the morons who declared "science is settled" want you to believe. We know from the very writings of the original climate folks WHY they need to imply this level of certainty, people being stupid, and needing led by the nose by the all knowing, all wise, academics who couldn't deliver real world results if it only consisted of fighting their way out of a wet paper bag.

Some people fall for this naturally, and thus we have the triumphant "the last 3 seconds are hotter than any of the previous 15 seconds!" routine from those who know nothing about science (it is settled!!), the hubris of humans who are always more certain than they should be (including the scientists), folks looking for a control mechanism on all those stupid breeders who aren't as smart as they are and need controlled (1975 conference with many of the luminaries who designed the system then implemented) and at the end of the day...they have achieved the creation of legions of parrots who endless claim with absolute certainty where none exists whatever is fed to them, can be counted on to NOT think for themselves, and who can be counted on to nod at anything dropped in front of them, or better yet repeat it endlessly, as though repetition will make it true.

It doesn't. Think for yourself. Ask questions. Understand that academics and their lifeblood, the grants they obtain for their institutions, have hopes and dreams and biases and screwed up ideas the same as the average high school drop out janitor, and if jumping on the bandwagon, ANY bandwagon, helps their career, income potential, stature in the scientific community, they will DO it. The bandwagon doesn't matter, first cooling, now warming, it is IRRELEVANT!!

What is however, very, VERY important is the need to make sure that people fund the STUDY of something. It doesn't matter WHAT, only that the money continues to flow to the college and their work. Because without that funding, regardless of what they are studying, they might soon have to do something real, like teaching, or some other work with an income more in tune with what they actually know and can do...and I gotta tell you, what does a climate scientist DO if they aren't vacuuming up grant money? They work as teachers...and teaching reveals one of those axioms of the universe....those who can are busy doing...those who can't....stay behind and baby sit millennials through rote memorization exercises.

 

Rather than get frustrated by the denialists inability or apparent unwillingness to see the obvious I suggest you go back to my thread where I discuss the possible reason for this disability. They seem to be math challenged, yes even the ones that throw a lot of 64 dollar words at you and pretend to a very educated background. Sounding wise and being wise are two entirely different things.

http://www.politicalforum.com/envir...ight-not-totally-disingenuous-think-math.html

 

Just more ignorant drivel and crackpot conspiracy theory nonsense from someone who has been bamboozled into imagining that he understands climate science better than the actual scientists (even though he's obviously completely clueless), but who is really just denying the very clear conclusions of the world scientific community because he chooses instead to believe in some ridiculous conspiracy theories so absurd that even a child would laugh at them.

 

Ive got a 14 yr old that can read that graph, every grade school kid on the planet thats into science can read that graph...the world is laughing at you...

What's it been two three days since your rewriting the law of conservation trying to come up with a explanation for the magical disappearance of energy?...all that time you've been silent refusing to explain this magic and you finally dig up "that old 2nd law of thermodynamics"...you throw out a few big words hoping to disguise the fact you haven't a clue...what's clear from your repeated incomprehension of a simple graph you have no business commenting on any Law of physics....

 

Evidently you need to contact the scientists coming up for reasons for the pause in warming. BTW, you evidently still don't understand the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.

 

That's why they believe the dogma. They don't understand it.

 

And there it is again.....that strange naive belief that two clueless non-scientists on a minor internet forum know more about science and understand it all better than all of the actual scientists in the world. Rather hilarious, if you think about it.

 

I have watched as Global Warming has been turned into a Political thing rather than a real problem that all scientific data as well as actual increasing levels in sea water is telling us.

The day the Corporations who control anti-GW media change their minds is when their beach houses in Miami get flooded.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually, sea levels have increase since the end of the last glacial period. The CAGW scare is that they have accelerated in rising but in fact they have have not accelerated due to the hiatus in warming.

 

The scientists aren't clueless. They know who butters their toast. They produce what they are paid to. The clueless are those believing their tripe.

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How many generations will that be?

 

All the scientists in the world? How clueless you are.

 

So, does a blanket add warmth or merely hold it in keeping it from escaping?

 

I didn't say that the scientists were clueless....they're not....I said that you "non-scientist" deniers posting on here are clueless in your strange and naive belief that you know more about the science regarding AGW/CC than the prodessional scientists who have been intensely studying this whole subject for many decades.

LOLOL. You don't know science or scientists or you wouldn't fall for those kind of crackpot conspiracy theories.

 

The blanket does not add warmth. The temperature slowly rises because of body heat producing more energy than what is escaping through the blanket. Until the energy escaping is enough to match what the person is emitting, inside will get warmer and warmer.

Pretty much the same end result. The more insulation you have, the more heat that is built up before finding equalization of escaped energy relative to the source energy. Once equalization is achieved, the temperature is stable.

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How about showing me your math.

Show me how I am wrong.

 

You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over. Seems you are in denial of the pause when the worlds scientists are making 52 and counting excuses for it. Remember, this wasn't supposed to happen because of the increase in CO2.

 

Because their conclusions do not math the known accepted sciences. You know, the theories that have no "deniers" about how they function, like black body radiation formulas.

I showed my math. How about you showing us yours!

 

Of course....sea levels increase during warming trends due to the cyclical Solar Orbit of the Earth as it wobbles and thus after so many tens of thousands of years.....we get cooling trends in which sea levels decrease as liquid water is locked into ice at the poles and Greenland.....and warming trends cause sea and polar and Greenland ice to melt...causing a rise in sea levles.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.....we are not in that particular time in Earth Wobbling Solar Orbit where sea levels should be this high.

EVEN WORSE.....they have NEVER BEEN THIS HIGH.....in 100,000 years.

AboveAlpha