When Islamic ‘occupation of Europe’ becomes a reality

CHRISTIAN doctrine-

Ephesians 2
15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Hebrews 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Romans 10
4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

Romans 7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3
13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

Galatians 3 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law(*)

Matthew 5:
38 You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
39 But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.
43 You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy;
44 But I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

 

Don't blame me that the Bible contains contradiction. It's not my fault that the God of the OT was a flip flopping genocidal maniac with the most petty an ugly of human characteristics.

This God even contradicts himself. He makes a law saying that children are not to be punished for the sin's of their parents and then turns around and orders the Israelite's to kill children, babies and pregnant women ... for the sins of their parents.

ISIS has nothing on these folks. Not surprising since this God is the God of Islam.

 

You can cherry pick the Bible all you like. One can cherry pick the Quran as well.

I agree with you that most Christians do not follow the main principle on which Jesus based his teachings.

What is your point ?

 

No, the bible contains the New Testament. Different rules for different times and circumstances A literal interpretation requires a literal interpretation of the entire bible, not selected parts.

 

I cherry picked the relevant portions that address the old testament and laws

Literal interpretation of Christianity DOES NOT CAUSE the same. Christianity is all "Love your neighbor as yourself" Love your enemy" to "turn the other cheek" to him when stricken "do unto others as you would have them do to you', To "render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar", To "obey all authorities instituted among men".
In contrast to Islam that commands the believers to "fight", "kill", "slay", and "smite the necks" of the unbeliever "until.... religion is only for Allah"

According to Christianity
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

According to Islam
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 26: Narrated Abu Huraira*)
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Virtually polar opposites of each other, Jesus was a preacher, Muhammad was a warrior. That's why with Christianity you get this worldwide campaign of missionaries feeding the poor and caring for the sick, spreading the words of Jesus. While with Islam we get this worldwide campaign of Islamic terrorism.

 

I do not know what you are trying to say here Dixon. I agree that the NT contains different rules. That is part of the contradiction. The God of the NT contradicts the God of the OT.

In the OT you have this flip flopping genocidal xenophobic God with the most petty and nasty of human flaws. This is a vendictive God who levies the most extreme punishment for any offense. He even kills babies for the sin's of their parents. Whole towns are to be killed if a few are found to worship other Gods. Killing of Adulterers and those who would intermarry.

In the NT we see this loving God - Turn the other Cheek, Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone, Love neighbor as self, Forgiveness and so on.

This is what you get when you do a literal interpretation of the entire Bible.

 

You cherry picked nice parts from the Bible and the nasty parts of the Quran ? How is that a fair comparison ?

Even if I agreed with the erroneous claim "the NT is all Love", the NT and Christianity are two different things. Most Christian denominations have the OT in their holy book and claim the God of the OT is their God. Some Christian denominations such as Evangelicals and Pentecostals even use OT Law when it suits their dogma.

Your quote from Romans 13, "Obey all authorities" is a horrible passage. I kind of understand what Paul was trying to do in writing that passage - make Christianity more acceptable to the Romans but that passage is not "inspired". Paul is claiming that the most horrible and nasty genocidal maniac dictators - such as Pol Pot, Stalin and so on- should be obeyed and their orders, regardless of how evil, should be followed because these leaders were put there by God. This violates/contradicts the whole "love they neighbor" premise of the NT.

For this and other reasons (such as the fact that Paul did not know Jesus while he was alive and was not part of the Church of Jerusalem) I do think Pauline scripture is on the same level as the words of Jesus.

What does any of this have to do with the difference between an
"Islamist Muslim" and a Muslim who is not an Islamist ?

I do not understand why you are resisting acceptance of this distinction so hard ?

 

How many times do I have to repeat it? Lets try this way to see if you can comprehend. YOU are full of **** when you claim-

Tortured an twisted interpretations can cause the same. Like with your tortured and twisted interpretations.

 

I cherry pick the later parts now applicable, that have abrogated the earlier parts, from both.

 

I gave evidence for my claim and you have not addressed this evidence. It is therefore very lame to say "you are full of ***"

You say I have given tortured and twisted interpretation but I have not given any interpretation. It is a fact that the God of the OT, as depicted in the Bible, is a flip flopping genocidal maniac with the most petty of human characteristics and emotions.

Gave you specific examples such as when God makes a law that states that Children are not supposed to be punished for the sin's of their parents.
God then goes out and orders the Israelite's to kill children and babies because of the sin's of their parents. It is not like God does this only once. God does this a number of times.

It is not my fault that the Bible says what it says. If you do not like what the Bible says this is fine but, this is no reason to shoot the messenger, call names, and then stand on a soapbox crying "NO NO NO " and then run to the playground to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial.

 

I agree that Jesus, and thereby the God of Jesus as Jesus was "the Logos - emissary between man and God who was able to speak God's word through the Holy Spirit, contradicts the God of the OT. I have intimated this numerous times. The God of Jesus contradicts the God of the OT.

This does not change the fact much of Christianity does not follow the teachings of Jesus. What's more is that many Christian denominations still adhere to the OT God.

You are confusing the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Christianity. The holy book of Christianity includes the OT and many Christian denominations adhere to the OT scripture.

You can cherry pick the parts you like out of the Bible but this is not an accurate representation all Christians. In the same way you can cherry pick parts out of the Quran but this is not an accurate representation of all Muslims.

Why do you insist on generalizing ? Would you like it if someone generalized the characteristics of the Westboro Baptist Church onto all Christians ? If not then you should not generalize the characteristics of ISIS onto all Muslims.

I agree with your claim that there is dangerous and evil ideology within Islam. I have given you a specific example of what that ideology is.

Why do you want to dwell on fallacious generalization rather than specific ideology ?

 

LOLOLOL!!!! You've actually convinced yourself that the **** you write here is evidence of of anything other than what you have written. You've presented nothing other than your own words. You provided examples of CATHOLIC actions that finds no support in the Christian doctrine of the bible. Made baseless claims of Christian doctrine justifying the stoning of adulterers AND I provided the only evidence here from the bible directly contradicting your claims.

 

Different rules for different times and circumstances are not a contradiction.

 

Ive made no assertions whatsoever about "all Christians". Just as you view any criticism of Islam as a criticism of all muslims, you seem to view any defense of Christian DOCTRINE as a defense of all Christians. That's all going on in your head.

 

Now you are making up nonsense. In the OT God makes a rule that says children are not to be punished for the sins of their parents. God then turns around and commands the Israelite's to kill children and babies because of the sins of their parents.

If you disagree with this I will happily provide quotes from the Bible.

 

You are suggesting that God changed his mind and character. That one day he was a xenophobic genocidal God with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. and one morning God woke up and had a change of heart.

You are welcome to your opinion but, to me this is a form of denial.

 

You have been generalizing characteristics to all Christians and all Muslims.

I have been arguing that there is a difference between a Muslim who is an Islamist and one who is not.

You have been fighting this distinction tooth and nail.

 

And THEN there was the NEW testament

 

Nope, go back and read again, Ive been discussing doctrine, not people

 

Changed the rules with the changing times and circumstances.

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law(*)

Romans 10
4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

Romans 7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3
13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

 

Pure Christianity does not follow the OT teachings; it follows the teachings of Jesus.

Pure Islam does not follow the teachings of its enlightened Imams; it follows the bloodthirsty teachings of Mohammed.

How could this be so difficult to understand? It's clear as a bell.

 

Pure Christianity does not exist in any real way. Further, even if this artificial construct did exist there are some that would argue that the OT teachings are still relevant (at minimum the 10 commands).

I argue that the God of Jesus and the God of Moses are not even the same God such that Christianity "should" have little to do with the OT.

There was considerable back and forth that you probably did not consider. The main point I was making was that there is a difference between a Muslim who is an Islamist... and one who is not.

Therefor - painting all who are of Islam with the same brush is a fallacious generalization. Just as painting all Christians with the same brush is an equally fallacious generalization.

 

It's the pernicious effect that Islam has on a certain percentage that is everyone's concern.

 

Agreed .. which is why it is important to be able to state what the pernicious effect is and pinpoint the source - the "dangerous and evil ideologies" within Islam that are the problem.

Do you know what those are ?

 

When reality finally hits, these Islamist apologists are gonna feel really stupid! So far the jihadist attacks have been mere practice runs for attacks like this . . .

"276 killed in deadliest single attack in Somalia's history"



Coming to a shopping mall near you? When it does, hope you're among the killed, rather than the injured and maimed??

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