When you know the guy you voted for is guilty of a crime...

Is what the whole convo has been about --- have named a number of "special powers" --- such as was witnessed in the Russia-gate Saga - violation of civil liberties .. without warrent - cause .. anything . and vast numbers of people .. search and seizure .. go through your bank records .. sieze your computer .. of people merely having some aquaintence with the target ..

Since when can this be done in a normal trial .. You are accused of crime X --- and the lives of everyone you know become subject to revocation of all liberty .. rights . .. "No special Powers" -- none at all .. nothing to see here.

Scope Creep - another violation -- discussed previously .. You got the full gamet of the US intelligence and enforcement agencies working on your backside .. FBI - CIA - NSA .. FRIDO LAY .. because == for grave national security reasons .. we need to know the number of inches of cigar .. insterted into Monica's oval Orifice .. .. on the basis of what crime ? still waiting for you to state what Slick Willy was being charged .. that justified the "Special Treatment"

 

Didn't say the monica thingy was not about Paula .. so who is confused. ... and what does the Starr-SC investigation have to do with a federal civil suit ?

but never-mind . no need to answer --- not interested in deeper waters .. for reasons explained previously .. Let me know when you figure out that Obama was handed a 1.4 Trillion dollar deficit -- or that if a Zygote is a human .. then so are the two two offspring of the zygote... and that 1+1 is 2 who dee who... and no one to blame but its a shame to play the denial of da obvious game .. if its all the same ..

 

Proof please "Trump committed blatantly illegal acts in front of the nation"

 

I already explained it to you the Starr office was assigned it by Reno as a separate investigation.

Why when that is factually incorrect as much as your statement about the Jones/Lewinsky perjury having to do with the Whitewater investigation.

If it is a human zygote it is human and nothing else.

 

yeah .. but what you didn't explain what was asked .. what is some frivolous Federal civil suit doing in the purview/scope of a Special Council - a council convened to investigate white-water. . while it was a separate investigation .. then what is it doing in the Scope of the WW Special Council ... and on what grounds was it legitimate to put it there.

Look - that you can not understand 1+1 = 2 .. 2 zygotes not one two humans .. not one .. is what I am talking bout .. no point in talking legalities .. nothing will add up. we are already at the point of not understanding the question .. disingenuous or otherwise .. past the point anything sensible in the future ..

 

too many to list, but I will provide one, for your edification



In another video, Trump solicited help from Russia and China.

Violation described by the FEC

 

I said by law, regulation, and convention a SC has no special powers that any other prosecutor doesn't have. I never said that prosecutors, special or otherwise, don't often exceed their authority and trample all over some defendants. I am not aware of any violations by Starr, though Mueller for example has done much of it in the Trump-Russia coordination investigation like the entrapment of Flynn and subsequent threats to Flynn's son to garner a confession, and in others -- one misconduct in Mass ended up costing the state tens of millions of dollars.

There was no, as in nada, none, zip, zilch, zero, "Scope Creep" with Starr. Starr investigated nothing that Reno and a special three judge panel did not explicitly authorize. However, for example Mueller did a lot of scope creep though technically it can be said he had inferred authority from the guy in charge, Rosen, who was a participant in the let's-get-Trump cabal in the DOJ. The law is that a SC can expand his investigation if the uncovered potential wrong doing is directly related to his explicit authority, ala Lewinsky an outgrowth from Jones. Otherwise by law the only thing a SC can do with a newly discovered unrelated crime is tell the AG about it.

You keep throwing out things like "grave national security" and "cigar inches" none of which have anything to do with the topic. Please stop. Clinton was not prosecuted for any cigar, any hum job, any adultery with Monica, only his lying to the grand jury and the district judge about his relationship.

 

Nice but inane try. You listed no, as in none, nada, zip, zero, crimes by Trump (or anyone else for that matter. You really should consider getting off your bloviating bandwagon about "too many to list" Trump crimes.

 

Yes .. the SC does have "Special Powers" as described previously

 

That's what you said before. Then I asked you to name one special power a SC has, and you responded with deflecting gibberish. So I'll ask again: name one.

 

Just because you don't understand that how many inches of cigar up Monica's oval orifice is not material/relevant to "White Water" .. or Paula Jones for that matter -- does not make it deflecting gibberish

 

Soliciting help in presidential campaigns from foreign nationals is a crime, and the FEC says it right on their website.

The video clearly shows him doing precisely that. Also, in another video ( I have to find it ) he solicits help for his campaign from China and Russia.

That solicitation is a felony campaign finance violation.

Your refutation did not provide any path of logic, examples, quotes, sources of law, to back up your claim

It is therefore vacuous, and until you do, it is dismissed.

I will provide more, but since proving to you one crime is a lot of work owing to your apparent cognitive dissonance, we'll do just one at a time.

 

Yes I did explain to you how it came about and why Reno assigned it to his office and how your statement that the perjury had no materiality to Whitewater was a specious assertion.

You don't understand the subject enough to ask logical questions. I gave you the science follow it.

 

The video just shows Trump agreeing on the point that accepting help from a foreign national is acceptable.

The FEC websites explains that that is illegal.

Please research what propaganda is, clearly you are foggy on the issue.

 

That's a non-sequitur deflection and not even trying to answer my question, and that's twice in two days. This can only mean that YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER which is not surprising in the least as such an answer does not exist even though you keep claiming such. This is getting tiresome..

 

It is not that uncommon, certainly not illegal as you ballyhoo, and the FEC does not say it is illegal or even against their regulations or even has to be reported.. What is illegal and against regulations is paying for election help from foreign nationals such as Hillary and her dossier. When you made up your cacophonic count of Trump crimes are you sure you didn't have him confused with Hillary??

 

It is not a crime to solicit campaign help from foreign nationals and the FEC does not say it is. If you are going to spout FEC regulations you should read them thoroughly first. Besides I know of no instance where Trump solicited any foreign national for campaign help, mostly because there isn't any -- your spinning puppies into rocket launches not withstanding.

 

Wrong, Hillary contracted with Fusion GPS, an American firm for oppo research. She had no foreknowledge, nor did she communicate with, Steele.

Not necessarily money, it is anything that is considered.....

a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

from the foreign national

Such as data that aids the president in electioneering decisions, data which would help him make decisions to benefit his campaign, that is also illegal.

It is also illegal to SOLICIT help, and he did that in a video where he was queried about it, soliciting help from both China and Russia.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121

https://www.pdc.wa.gov/news/2020/law-prohibited-foreign-involvement-and-financing-campaigns

or have a foreign national involved in the decision-making in any way.

 

So if Hillary's and the DNC's contractor subcontracts something out you think that lets them completely off the hook?? Well, you got another think coming. Especially when it is done sneakily and surreptitiously which might make it money laundering.

You still need to get a better grasp of the FEC laws and regulations. If you understood them completely you might reduce your incorrect words and thinking.

 

""She had no foreknowledge, nor did she communicate with, Steele.""...
Not only did she know, but the president Obama knew... Biden knew... and the whole intel community knew it... which is why Sussmann trial was a joke...

Not only did Mueller, the FBI knew, CIA, knew...
All documented... and undeniable.... The Obama Whitehouse was in on it... how much more "in your face" can you get and no one goes to jail..
Strange how our Republican special prosecutor Mueller missed this.... maybe he did not do a very good job of investigation...
""Former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s “plan” to tie the Trump campaign to Russia as a means of distracting the public from her private email server scandal before the 2016 election, according to newly declassified documents.""
https://news.yahoo.com/dni-releases-cia-documents-hillary-204337457.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-brennan-notes-cia-memo-clinton
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/0...ral-on-clinton-campaigns-collusion-operation/



here is Brennans hand written note

 

Only specious thing going on here is your inability to do basic math .. friend.

"I gave you the science" LOL - What science is that mate ? What is this science that states that the children of the zygote -- are not zygotes ? such that after the first mitotic division .. we have 2 zygotes .. 1+1 = 2 .. and since you claim the zygote is a human .. a blessed Child .. we now have 2 children .. 2 zygotes .. 2 children 1+1 = 2.

What about the basic math and basic logic .. gives you such trouble mate .. How many children at the 2 zygote stage 1 or 2 ?

Where is this "Science" that claims the answer is 1 . you have not posted any Science supporting your silly claim -- making things up again you are.. Mr. Biology 101 .. once again failing high school biology.

2 zygotes .. how many people ? 1 + 1 = ???

 

All documented and undeniable?

Okay... My claim was that Hillary did not coordinate, or pay directly, Steele, nor had foreknowledge of GPS hiring him when they did.

Let's see if you actually have evidence that counters my specific claim made above:

Your link states;

Former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s “plan” to tie the Trump campaign to Russia as a means of distracting the public from her private email server scandal before the 2016 election, according to newly declassified documents.

"means of distracting..." Links to the National Review article;

https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...t-from-her-emails-according-to-russian-intel/

Which states:

Hillary Clinton personally signed off on the Russiagate farce to distract attention from her email scandal, according to a Russian intelligence analysis that was obtained by U.S. intelligence agencies in July 2016

That would be Russian disinformation, how nice! The article continues:

By that point, former British spy Christopher Steele had been commissioned by the Clinton campaign (through a lawyer for the campaign and the DNC)

The article provides no evidence for that claim. A competent news source would have not made such a vacious allegation without backing it up.

The Yahoo article states

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Tuesday declassified Brennan’s handwritten notes along with a CIA memo showing that officials referred the alleged scheme to the FBI for potential investigation.

The word 'scheme' links to:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...t-from-her-emails-according-to-russian-intel/

Which states:

The dossier was compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele who was investigating Donald Trump for an opposition research firm hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign. The dossier purported to show connections between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.

The quoted text only states that Hillary hired an opposition research firm, and we know that that firm was Fusion GPS. No evidence tying her to coordinating with Steele is given in the article.

From the linked to National Review link, above, it states

Ratcliffe’s letter concedes that the U.S. intelligence community “does not know the accuracy” of the allegation that Mrs. Clinton personally orchestrated the collusion scandal; nor can our agencies say whether the Russian intelligence analysis in question is disinformation.

"Does not know" equals no evidence.

I was unable to read the Brennan handwriting.

Though I can't read the handwriting, I'll go by the website's quote of it.

The Federalist website, quoting Brennan's handwriting, states

Cite alleged approval by Hillary Clinton–on 26 July–of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to villify [sic] Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services.”


"Alleged".

Alleged does not equal evidence.

Not seeing any 'evidence' that Clinton coordinated with, or had foreknowledge of Steele when she hired GPS, nor is there any evidence of her direct payments to Steele.

 

@Golem, I hope you don't mind me adding this here but I didn't feel comfortable with starting a new thread because I don't know enough about this part of it to make an informed opinion in my own thread.

On the face of it, it sounds suspicious as I know Trump didn't suddenly want to be cooperative so there has to be some other motive behind it other than making sure Bannon plays ball under oath. What do you more knowledgable politics followers think about it?

 

So if "Does not know" equals no evidence." to you..... does Hutchinson's continued use of ""he said "something to the effect of"" means she does not know what they said and she is winging it...

U.K. Court Documents: Steele Told FBI Clinton Knew He Was Compiling the Dirty Dossier
Notes taken by the FBI indicate that Steele was told that Clinton herself was aware that he was commissioned to create the Trump-Russia dossier which alleges collusion between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Russian government during the 2016 election, amongst various other wild allegations.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...nton-knew-he-was-compiling-the-dirty-dossier/
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/1812.html