When you look at illegal entry, look at this!

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It has nothing to do with 'staying safe', its about having your own opinion as opposed to being told what to think. You are shackled by your party and by the loyalty for your leader, which is why you are not free to have your own opinions. You always have to check what the party line is before you can speak,
     
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    But lets be honest, the party of flip flop is mighty hard to follow?
    Party of law and order?.....Gone
    Family values?...Gone
    Blue lives matter? after 1/6/21.....Gone
    Fiscal conservative?......Gone
    The list goes on and on, in "what they said" they believed in but their actions proved it all a lie!
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A man without principles is like a ship without compass.
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't do any of that. I was anti illegal immigration 25 years ago. I was America 1st at birth.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's hard to know if you have any principles. Stay safe!
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, those gov'ts are a mess and the very reason most are leaving.
    Fearful for their lives.

    But the root to fixing the problem is back in the home countries. But I don't know the issues so I can't say what will work.
     
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    We won't. As I said, the employers want them migrant workers and the 2 parties know this.
    There can be no other reason why we don't clamp down on illegal employers.
     
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    I haven't seen or heard that.
    If that is going to be a plan, it will require more than just the US.
     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There has to be a way. America first needs to be the policy.....Actually "Americans First". I have never been pro union but I would think American workers should have a voice. I was an employer and had Mexican Nationals occasionally work for me but never illegals. I competed against illegals though all the time. We need E-verify.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The root is to not allow them entry on their terms.....only on ours. We had the problem fixed three months ago. Those policies that enforced our laws were removed.
     
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    We have the policy. We have the laws.
    Employers get a free pass. Always have.

    E verify won't be any better than SSN.
     
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    No we didn't.
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56531187

    This upsurge started a year ago.
     
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    Maybe because when employees do well, the nation does well. Latino fruit pickers or landscapers never put America in a 2nd place. You want to do roofing in the Florida summer? Landscaping? I doubt it. We have local landscapers at more affluent neighborhoods who trim palm trees for $100 a piece, while Jamaicans do it in middle class neighborhoods for free if they can keep the coconuts. A touch of libertarianism never hurts. America has always been first. Dont believe those who want you to feel inferior, or that you are under attack by imaginary forces, because they are always the ones who say "I'm from the government and I am here to help you".
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We have a legal green card system. We can regulate the fruit pickers and nannys. We know where they are at all times. Myself, a white man, have done roofing in the Arizona summer. I am not above hard work. I grew up doing masonry under the Arizona sun. Don't view myself as a "metro sexual" too good for such things. My son does those things as well. I am at heart a libertarian. However, government "forces" me to buy into certain Nanny state programs. They do that to you as well. Why should I compete, in the land of the free, where not only do these illegals not pay into these systems, they live on them! You can claim you are a libertarian, but this is not the Wild West and you are not a liberatarian.. We are already a "nanny state" to a degree. The government has already overstepped it's bounds so if we play by the rules, so do foreign invaders. If we were the Wild West, I would be content to compete with anyone and we wouldn't need to secure our borders. We shouldn't give away our "programs". We don't provide healthhcare to all comers.. Americans should always be first yet the Cartels are flooding our country with drugs. We need the wall and we need to stop the flow. I did not ask the government to take care of me. They set it up.....now they can secure our border! Your children should not feel they are "above" the work America needs to keep rolling.
     
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    Path to citizenship? Yes, I guess that is the idea, although they could be given seasonal work visas too.

    I doubt you know the meaning of "nanny state", because that is a whole other topic.

    You can have your kids make living picking fruit. I am sure they will be hired if they are interested. I prefer my kids doing something else, while others pick fruit.
     
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    According to your chart, it was in a steep decline in mid 2019. Why do you suppose? Was it a coincidence Biden removed effective policies by executive order, stopped the wall and now numbers are higher than ever in 20 years? He sent a message as all border agents will tell you. He's tried to black out media and the inhumane treatment of children at the border. He used that as a political tool against Trump and now the situation is far worse. Those disease ridden cages according to my wife looks like baked potatoes packed in like sardines!
     
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    They don't get a "special path " to citizenship. When they jump our borders....that is denied. You don't start the path to "citizenship" by breaking our laws. There are plenty that do it legally. I know you know the meaning of "nanny state". From your posts I see you love entitlements. Try jumping the border in Mexico. You'll end up in a jail without a roof! .....but then again, you wouldn't want to do that. THe entitlements there are not that good.
     
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    Show me one such post as a starting point to proving your claim.

    Are you a welfare bum, who thinks Latinos are cutting into his take/entitlement?

    I agree. A temporary permit would be better.
     
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    No....I forcibly pay into welfare. Have all my life. Now it goes to entitlements to pay illegals so they can trim your coconut trees and wipe your bum!
     
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    Is that your way of saying you can't find even one post to back up your nonsense?
     
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    What does Biden have to do with that chart?

    There's maybe 3 months in there where Biden is president.

    Higher than in 20 yrs? Can you seen in the chart its not even as high as 2019?
     
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    I asked you to back up your claim, and you posted an unrelated/irrelevant link in order to deflect away from the fact that you made crap up.
     
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