When you look at illegal entry, look at this!

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Open the borders?
    I have 2 posters telling me we now have an open border policy.

    I don't know what that is, but they keep telling me we have it.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Fences work, walls don't

    Fences are part of a barrier system. A wall over even 10 miles long is outrageously expensive and totally ineffectual. The only reason Trump wanted it is to give a huge gift to his contractor cronies. He knew it wouldn't work and he was, in fact, counting on it. We NEED Immigration in this country, desperately. Our prosperity is utterly dependent on and always has been. If you ever actually totally cut off immigration we would be a third-world shithole in at most a year, if not a month in some areas.


    Conservatives are such total rubes. The more expensive and impossible something is the more they want it

    https://newint.org/blog/2017/11/29/why-open-borders
     
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    It's a fence. It works.
     
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    Just look at the Mexican border as it is today. That is what I call an open border.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    As a fence, yes. A fence blocks access to an individual building, not a whole country. A wall or a fence simply can't do that, not alone. What Trump and the Trumpaholics want is a gigantic monument to stupidity It. Won't. Work. And would ruin if it did.
     
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    The fence has been built at vulnerable spots where traffic was heavy. While nothing will completely stop these people coming, it has slowed the flow and aided BP units to be more effective. The wait in place and the deals with SA governments and Mexico to step up were effective as well.
     
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    Correct. And, as your chart shows, he put policies in place to reduce illegal immigration. The 2021 leg shows the new surge caused by ending Trump's policies.
     
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    Any wall or fence will be breached. No matter how expensive or big it's made.
     
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    Which policies?
    I've been asking. No one will link those policy changes.

    I am aware of the policy change to treat them more humane.
     
  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Other methods would be much more effective. Monitored cameras on poles directing INA agents would work much better. Trump wanted to build a huge and expensive structure that would be full of holes in a week.
     
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    Absolute rubbish. You wrote about thousands of 14 year olds with babies without fathers and little or no family. Nothing to do with rape victims, but an attempt to paint people seeking to go to America in a bad light.
    Woke means being anti racist, in that case I am definitely woke.
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    It is not full of holes, it is effective and it works in conjunction with measures you list. I always opposed building a wall/fence because I'm a cold war child and I remember that hateful thing in Berlin. I am still squeamish about it on those grounds but to deny that it works one has to have one's head deep in the sand. There are political measures that would stop the flood but we aren't ever again going to see the unity required for a two party political solution.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it's more and more intentional. The plan is to reduce America to the lowest common denominator making it "ripe" for globalization.
     
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    Bingo!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not making any excuses for what you accuse "Trumps companies" doing in regards of hiring illegals. Why should they be singled out while the government doesn't punish others?
    Open borders is when you deceitfully allow illegal entry under the guise "someday there will be a hearing"......doesn't happen.

    There are caravans beginning their trek on this day to take Biden up on his subtle invitation. Far more than the 10,000 you suggest.
    Here is some evidence. And no.....I didn't find it on left wing media so you will discount it for sure. So "prove it"!
    https://welovetrump.com/2021/03/25/...ed-into-the-united-states-under-bidens-watch/
     
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    There were caravans during Trump presidency taking up his subtle invitation. As a matter of fact Trump admitted the situation under his watch was "worse than ever before".
     
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    He was speaking of when he initially took over, the caravans were underway when Trump got there. There is no way to switch responsibility back to him for what we have today. His illegal immigrant policy was one of the reasons he was so hated by the liberal left.
     
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    No, the caravans stared under him (in 2017), and he was saying "worse than ever before" throughout his presidency aka every year was worse than the previous year. It just kept getting worse and worse. When he took office the numbers were nowhere near "worse than ever".
     
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    Oh.. they hated him because they were told to hate him... ask them to name a valid reason for why they hate him and they might spout all the long disproven lies about the man.. otherwise
    The Left has split this country .. don't know how we can get our unity when the Left is dedicated to the destruction of the USA
     
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    N... you are wrong (go figure!)
     
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    Ah, you present the old and truestd "you're wrong" argument.

    The first large and organized "caravan" was arranged by the "Village Without Borders" group and it headed for the US in 2017, and after that they just kept coming. Smaller "caravans" are decades old (some were groups of a dozen people), but they became large and organzied while Trump was in office, which could be why he kept saying every year was "worse than ever before". He also said "they are invading" and "flooding accross the border".

    Trump failed on immigration.

    Biden? Time will tell.
     
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    Utter insanity... we can see (well, at least when it is not being hidden by the MSM) the disaster wrought by Biden's policies for an issue that had largely been Solved by President Trump!
     
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    Can't have open borders and free healthcare for all both. Biden is sacrificing Medicare for all Americans in favor or his open orders scheme. Wait and see.
     
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    So, when Trump says "its worse than every before", he means "its largely solved"?

    All righty then.......its code-talk, which can mean whatever the loyalists want it to mean.
     

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