Where are the missing Jews?

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  1. Scott

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    In post #162 Jonsa said...

    Then in post #168 I said...

    Jonsa's answer to that in post #172 was...

    Anyone can see that he sidestepped the question I'd asked him.


    Come on Jonsa. It's pretty clear that the lampshade made of human skin was part of the official story. It was not a mere rumor. Your ignoring that fact isn't going to make the viewers think it isn't true. You might as well recognize it.
     
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    more evidence that Holocaust Denial is really just anti-Semitism
     
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    According to both the World Almanac and the Red Cross, there were no "missing Jews" because not all Jews under German control were incarcerated.

    Many full and mixed Jews (about 150,000) served in Germany's military(1), (2) with many of them rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest honors.

    Throughout the war, Jews were able to emigrate via Hungary, Rumania and Turkey and, therefore able to avoid internment in the camps.

    Of course during the period of the politically motivated Nuremberg "trials", the Red Cross was compelled to bring its reports more in line with the Allied propaganda narrative & contradict its more accurate, earlier assessments.


    - "JEWISH POPULATION NUMBERS IN 1933 AND 1948."
    https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/jewish-population-numbers-in-1933-and-1948/

    EXCERPTS "In other words, according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac.

    A Factual Appraisal Of The ‘Holocaust’ By The Red Cross

    The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide

    Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey." CONTINUED



    - "Chapter IX — THE JEWS AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/books/19740000-did-six-million-really-die/d6mrd09.php

    EXCERPTS "Volume III of the Report of the ICRC, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population)…this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the “thoroughness” of the supposed “extermination programme”, and with the claim in the forged Hoess memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing “every single Jew he could lay his hands on.”

    Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of the Polish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation."CONTINUED




    (1) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis." CONTINUED


    "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587


    EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED
     
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    That's not true at all. The objective is a two state solution not eradication of the Jews. Spewing lies and hate helps no one.
     
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    The lampshade story was part of the official story announced by the allies. It was a deliberate lie. It didn't "Emerge". Do you see he lamp sitting on the table in the video?
     
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    OK.. PROVE it was part of the official story.
     
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    Repeating the same unfounded mantra over & over does not make it true.

    First, your assertion suffers from the "Strawman fallacy" in that no one here has denied that the holocaust happened.

    Many but not all Jews, Communists, Roma etc were, indeed, interred in work camps where some were gratuitously tortured & killed against German law at that time(1).
    However, MSM ensures that no one hears about the camp Commandants & camp personnel who were executed for killing, being cruel to inmates or related abuses.

    The vast majority of people around the world simply reject the standard holocaust narrative(*) not because they hate Jews but because the Holocaust Industry attempts to promulgate inflated casualty numbers (i.e. 6 million Jews) and grotesque frauds involving "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades", homicidal steam chambers, homicidal electrocution chambers, "Conveyor Belts of Death"(2) and equally fictitious homicidal gas chambers.

    Meanwhile, closer examination & critical literacy has revealed that innumerable "survivor accounts" are outright fraudulent attempts to get rich from lucrative book deals and profitable public speaking fees telling lies to impressionable school children or gullible dupes (3), (4)

    Finally, many other groups of people were interred in German ( and Allied) work camps so in spite of unseemly attempts by some Jews to appropriate the holocaust as exclusively Jewish property, WW2 & the holocaust were massive tragedies affecting numerous ethnic, national, political & religious groups and therefore, questioning it in any capacity cannot be as simple as "anti Semitism".



    (*) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED



    (1) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates"
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html

    EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light.

    The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two.

    One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED


    (2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor Belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (3) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (4) "Another “Holocaust survivor” exposed as a fraud"
    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/another-holocaust-survivor-exposed-as-a-fraud/

    EXCERPT "In the recent news on the Internet, there are a lot of articles about Rosemarie Pence, who allegedly survived the Dachau concentration camp and went on to become an Olympic athlete. It has now been revealed that Rosemarie’s story is total fiction, but for years, people believed her and she earned fees for speaking to students in American schools.

    Even though it was obvious to anyone who knows anything about the Holocaust that Rosemarie’s story was fiction, it took five years or more before she was exposed as a fraud.


    The moral of this story is: Use your heads, people! If a story sounds unbelievable, it is most likely false. Don’t fall for every Holocaust survivor story that you hear."CONTINUED
     
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    Did you listen to what was said in the video? That was evidence assembled by the allied authorities.

    It was part of the evidence presented at the Nuremberg trials.
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p-89_OKeefe.html
    (excerpt)
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    How many people know that at Nuremberg the Germans were accused of, along with killing about six million Jews:

    • vaporizing 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz with "atomic energy";
    • killing 840,000 Russian POW's at Sachsenhausen concentration camp (in one month, with special pedal-driven brain-bashing machines, no less), then disposing of them in mobile [sic] crematoria;
    • torturing and killing Jewish prisoners to the tempo of a specially composed "Tango of Death" in Lvov;
    • steaming Jews to death like lobsters at Treblinka;
    • electrocuting them en masse at Belzec;
    • making not only lampshades and soap but also handbags, driving gloves, book bindings, saddles, riding breeches, gloves, house slippers, etc. from the remains of their victims;
    • killing prisoners and concentration camp inmates for everything from having armpit hair to soiled underclothing?
     
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    Here is what Wiki knows:
     
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    Your source is garbage.
     
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    Empty rhetoric isn't going to sway any thinking person. Lots of lies are appearing in the official story of WW2. Official history is garbage.

    Here's an example of info that has been censored in American history classes.

    Adolf Hitler Explains His Reasons For Invading The Soviet Union


    Watch it before it disappears. This one has already disappeared.

    Adolf Hitler: Explains Reasons For Invading Poland


    Do you think these articles and videos are garbage?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/


    Americans have an upside-down view of what's happening in the world.
     
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    Hello...
    wrong thread. Sorry
     
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    Hello;
    while reading about Germar Rudolph I came upon a theory that could explain where the missing Jews went.
    Read here:
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    I believe it to be quite possible that thousands of Jews and others got lost in the war chaos in the East. It was a terrible war! The soldiers on either side were killed, maimed and brutalized. If the Jews found themselves caught in this hell hole, they had little chances of surviving.
     
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    About 1,600,000 Jews were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland into the Russian interior. About 150,000 of them managed to reach Palestine, the United States, and other countries. The Soviets saved more than 1.5 million Jews who went missing from Poland.

     
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    OK, so according to your source the 'missing' Jews were killed by the Germans who were systematically murdering Jews, but just not in camps. Of course, the idea that any more than a handful of Jews deported to the east ended up as partisans is pure fantasy, as the vast majority of Jews deported ended up in camps. Escapes were not unknown, but the numbers were not large.

    'Lost in the morass of the East' is yet another made up explanation offered with little evidence. Contrast this with the standard of proof demanded by holocaust deniers of others.
     
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    Here's some info on the Einsatzgruppen
    http://www.zundelsite.org/assets/981005.html


    Regarding the lampshade issue.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-missing-jews.558565/page-8#post-1070883208

    The allied authorities put that lamp on the table with the intent to deceive. They wanted the German people who were obligated to tour the camp to think that lampshades were being made out of human skin.


    I found the video that got deleted from YouTube that I mentioned in my last post.

    Adolf Hitler - Why Germany Invaded Poland
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=pe0gIdVgeow


    I don't rule out the possibility that Hitler was lying to the people about the reasons for the invasions of Poland and the USSR. The point I'm making is that the German people and soldiers didn't have imperialism on their minds during the war as Americans are taught. They believed they were righting old wrongs and heading off a Russian invasion of Western Europe. This is an identifiable lie told by the US government.


    Here's the one on Russia again in case the one in my last post goes off-line. It probably will as it's a YouTube video.

    Adolf Hitler's Speech On Operation Barbarossa
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=KFiOi_UnX98


    Here's another that American historians distorted.

    Adolf Hitler Unites Germany and Austria 1938
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=IVHK730eLhA
     
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    The same can be said about many common sources relating to the holocaust.

    I assume that all sources have a bias especially when dealing with such a volatile & contorted topic as the holocaust.
    What is important is the accuracy of the material they relate.
    In this case, the source is accurate and the list of bizarre killing gadgets and methods that the Germans were accused of using is as lengthy as it is fraudulent.

    If the Allies and those behind the standard holocaust narrative were willing to lie to such an extensive degree, it puts into doubt anything they claim that has become the stuff of common holocaust lore.

    The more you study the vengeful Nuremberg "trials" and the deceitful, barbaric & criminal methods employed, the more repulsive they become.
    The following are some of the sentiments expressed by more ethical witnesses to that despicable mockery of "justice" up to & including Eisenhower's own brother:

    "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/

    QUOTE:

    "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…"

    Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower

    - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Some other assessments were:

    "I thought at the time and still think that the Nuremberg trials were unprincipled. Law was created ex post facto to suit the passion and clamour of the time. The concept of ex post facto is not congenial to the Anglo-American viewpoint on law."

    - US Associate Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, Nuremberg contemporary

    "... a fantastic desecration of the ideals of Western Civilisation, and appalling miscarriage of justice... a misuse of evidence for vicious ends, all of which will someday be exposed as a shocking travesty of high legal and moral principles."

    - Professor Henry M. Adams, Ph.D


    “About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the 11 men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we shall long regret.”

    - US Senator Robert Taft, 1946



    "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas."

    - US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone


    Since much of holocaust lore is derived from "facts" obtained through torture, deceit, blackmail, & widespread perjury, we are entirely justified in rejecting the grotesque myths that comprise the standard holocaust narrative.
     
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    If you incarcerate people in close quarters, work them to exhaustion, deny them food and clean water and kill them if they protest that's a holocaust. Doesn't matter if they are gypsies, communists, gays .. whatever .. the out come is the same.
     
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    You realize, of course, that the Soviets had their gulags, Eisenhower had his genuine death camp(1) and the British & French had their Colonial concentration camps to which they added post war German POW slave labor but it is only the vanquished German camps that were & remain under the spotlights.

    Of course conditions were horrific in the German camps toward the end of the war when Germany's transportation system was destroyed and typhus was so rampant that 15,000 died of typhus in Bergen-Belsen after liberation by the British.

    Over the decades, I've both talked to and read accounts of German camp survivors that conflict with the daily conditions you describe.
    One collection of accounts that has not yet been banned is:

    "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

    We should ask ourselves why documentation of accounts that conflict with the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) are even recently banned, deleted or censored.

    What is there to hide & who wants it hidden?

    Another account that is replete with contradictions of the SHN is:

    "The Auschwitz goalkeeper: British prisoner of war who played in football match at Nazi death camp returns to bury the past"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443738/The-Auschwitz-goalkeeper-British-prisoner-war-makes-poignant-return-Nazi-death-camp.html

    EXCERPTS "During the week prisoners were employed at forced labour camps, but on their rest day they were allowed to play football on a field just outside the camp - with armed German guards watching from the sidelines.

    Father-of-one Ron said: “We didn’t work on a Sunday so we used to play football.'

    The Red Cross heard about it and brought the teams four sets of shirts - English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh.

    'There was the humiliation and the lack of food but on the whole life wasn’t too bad.'

    'The Germans, contrary to what a lot of people think, were pretty good to us on the whole.' "CONTINUED


    If the ruthless Germans were beating and gassing people by the thousands, why would any inmate say that they:
    "...were pretty good to us on the whole."

    In addition to the survivors I've talked to personally, there are just too many contradictory accounts & conflicting evidence for the SHN to be true.








    (1)"Eisenhower’s death camps — a stain on American history"
    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/eisenhowers-death-camps-a-stain-on-american-history/
     
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    Hello, Grau, sometimes extraordinary things do happen. Don't you remember the story I told you some time ago about a young man who got run over by a freight train... 26 cars went over him and he was unhurt?

    What is your opinion of the following story, where a British POW changed places with a Jewish inmate in Auschwitz?

    [​IMG]
    British Prisoners of War at E715 POW camp at Auschwitz Photo Credit: Fritz Bauer Institute

    One of the British Prisoners of War in the E715 camp near the Auschwitz III camp, also known as Monowitz, was Denis Avey, who was sent there after the POW camp opened in September 1943.


    In 2009, Avey revealed that, while he was a prisoner housed in barracks near the construction site of the I.G. Farben Buna plant at Monowitz, he twice sneaked into the Auschwitz concentration camp, after trading places with a Jewish prisoner.

    At 91 and living in Derbyshire, he says he wanted to witness what was going on inside and find out the truth about the gas chambers, so he could tell others.

    According to Avey, "there were nearly three million human beings worked to death" in different Nazi factories and the Jews knew that they would only last about five months at Monowitz.

    Avey himself witnessed prisoners at Monowitz being shot daily.

    One day he met Ernst Lobethall, a Jewish prisoner, who's sister had escaped to England. She would send cigarettes to Avey and Lobethall was able to trade 2 packs of Players to get new soles put
    on his shoes. The shoes helped to save his life when Lobethall joined the death march out of Auschwitz when the camp was abandoned on January 18, 1945.


    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/DenisAvey.html
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    The shoe story I find strange. Couldn't he have found a fitting pair in the huge pile of shoes from the already dead Jews?
    Yes, he was lucky that he made it on the death march and eventually was able to settle in the US.
    I, too, was lucky to have survived the relentless bombing of Germany. Many survived - many didn't.
     
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