Where my world view diverges from most

Wait, to be logical, you seem to say the religious sway and have NDE, & change to Atheists?

I never heard that ever.

 

I wish people quit blaming God for everything.

 

Believing NDEs is like believing you'll get better answers from your laptop if you just beat it with a hammer as the battery runs out.

 

You should not be so quick to run down those who have had NDE. Remember, many of them thought your way and then converted. They say they do now realize there is GOD.

 

It's not the clarity that is the problem, it's the justification. I see no reason to believe what you say is true, it sounds more like a sound bite than anything explicitly believable to me.

It seems to me the Swensson example shows chance as a creative force, an explicit counterexample to your statement. If you have a problem with the counterexample, I'm happy to revise it or rephrase it to more precisely pinpoint the distinction.

 

People behave in fear from threats to life.

People have dreams, too. Why accept NDEs as better than dreams?

These are human reactions. It's not a methodology for learning about some form of universal truth for which no evidence exists!

Go back to beating on your dead battry laptop - it's less risky.

 

I do not own a laptop.

If you wish to be serious, let's try that.

If you studied the NDE experience, doctors pronounce them dead. All signs of life vanished. It is later that perhaps in the Morgue, the body recovers. The person tells a story.

 

Obviously.

And, then you choose to believe the story!

Dont forget that part!!

 

Who said we were created? Anymore than rocks were created?
We could have just evolved. Makes more sense to me than having some air blown into dirt.
But now I type that, maybe that's where we evolved from. Air and dirt.

 

Particles. Made up of electrons and protons. Forming atoms.

Why couldn't electron and protons always exist?
I bet you claim a god has always existed. Where would a god, any god, come from?

 

Then why couldn't Satan masquerade as Jesus in some vision that no one else knows anything about? IE Saul v Paul.

 

We and all those things created from what?
Who created the creator?
Why could not all that stuff that made what we see today have always existed in some form? And changed form. Things change on a second by second basis.

 

I receive your transmission clearly. Seems you simply want to discount GOD and I am not compelled to do that.

 

No such thing as chance. Just statistical probability.

 

I discount nothing. I leave it entirely open.
God has as much weight as energy. Or any thing else that has always existed.

I see you discount everything that isn't some god.
How many god's does the earth have? Based on all the societies we have.

 

Gods are imaginary and instruments designed by con men to control their more superstitious buddies. It is the people that are the problem. BTW, there are thousands of the God critters so it helps to be specific and name the particular one under discussion.

 

Then why do Atheists and Democrats keep blaming GOD?

PS, you described the Democratic party style of governing.

If you do not believe in GOD why did you up the ante into thousands of GODS?

 

Oh well, happy you discount nothing and sad you try to turn this into being about me. At least you believe in Energy., My sole contribution to this topic about GOD is the act of creating the universe. As to the pleas by others, take it up with them. Such as how many GODS are there. I am not positive that GOD appointed GODS over Earth but perhaps Jesus is one of them.

 

Is Set the same as Jesus? Is Pan the same as Jehovah?

 

Your example assigns aforethought to selection.

 

I only continued what you started.

 

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So? You seem to imply that the creative force in the "swensson" example lies in the generation of letters, not in the selection of "correct" letters. If we're examining whether chance can generate complexity, aren't you dodging the question by focusing on the bit that you yourself say isn't the source of the complexity?

Your question does not answer (or approach answering) my concern about why we should believe your statement that chance cannot generate complexity. I'm not asking random questions, if you ignore the questions I ask, you will shield yourself from reality.

But far be it from me to avoid a topic that is brought up (hint hint). Sure, call it whatever you will, what I call selection is analogous to what happens in evolution, we "save" and work from the most viable specimen so that we don't have to sit through trillions of years of garbage. If there is something happening in the example that you don't think happens in evolution, then maybe you don't understand evolution.