'White Awake' group draws backlash at University of Maryland

I’m not moving the goalposts

Slavery was an institution that existed generations before slave owners in 1860 were born

They did not create it and while some were monsters others were merely men of their times

 

You do realize that there were slave owners in the North also, right?

https://www.history.com/news/deeper-roots-of-northern-slavery-unearthed

Rocks and glass houses.

 

Forming a country on the idea that blacks are inferior and using that reasoning to continue to subjugate them and profit of their labor and misery makes them bad guys. Try to keep up.

Who said the south had a monopoly on bad guys?

Even minus the war the Confederates and supporters of the confederates were pieces of ****. You don't even have to discuss the war at all to come to that conclusion. Who cares what the reason for the war was? What was the reason for the Confederacy itself?

 

So? They were bad guys too. That's not a difficult position. I do enjoy how righties think pointing out bad guys existed in the north is some sort of gotcha. It's not. I'm not defending slave owning northerns any more than I'm defending slave owning southerners. In fact the only ones defending slave owners are you guys.

 

Good men of the times saw the indignity and inhumanity of slavery and fought to end it, politically and violently. Everyone else doesn't get to use the I didnt know any better excuse.

 

They did not fight to free the slaves but metely to preserve the union

 

You believe the Civil War was fought to end slavery? Slavery was legal in the United States during the war and after the war. Lincoln went to war to bring the Southern States back into the Union WITH their slavery entact. Those who fought for their States were fighting to prevent an invasion and the destruction of their homes and lands and economies and right to govern themselves.

 

Who is they? Are you arguing no one wanted freedom for slaves? Abolishionists were a fairy tails?People like Robert Smalls didn't fight for freedom for his people both during the war as a soldier and after as a Congressman?

 

The Union didn't go to war with the Confederacy to end slavery. It went to war to bring those states back into the union with that slavery along with the Union slave states that existed.

 

Why the union went to war does not absolve the south of the evils of the slave trade, the confederacy, segregation and Jim crow. It doesn't matter why the North went to war. If the North let the south be and never invaded the confederacy would still be evil.

I'm a rational human being so I can recognize that slave owners on both sides were evil. With revisionist attempts to rewrite history we can clearly see here that the fact the some northerners owned slaves to them means no one was a bad guy. This is clearly wrong and a big part of why they don't know how to talk to minorities when they leave their Confederate bubbles.

 

No

There are always the few activists

 

You mean Patriots. True Patriots honor and fight for equality and freedom for all. They don't defend slave owners who violate the very essence of freedom and human dignity.

 

No spark of divinity, eh?

 

Only if you concede that the Confederates were not traitors

 

Did they fight for freedom and human dignity for all?

 

Define a good slave owner.

Cop out, you can't defend evil.

 

The fought for independence

 

When you take up arms against your country, what else do you call them.

 

A man who grew up in a system he did not invent but is otherwise a decent person

I think you can find liberals today who say one thing but do something entirely different

Humans are not always as strong as we wish we were

 

Loyal sons of their state

 

Not for the blacks they kept as slaves. I wonder if you feel the same way about all "freedom fighters".

 

Exactly who is 'you guys'?

No, it's not a gotcha, it's a statement of fact, since plenty in this thread, yourself included, take a 'holier then thou' approach.

The fact that anyone should actually have to put a skin color in a group name is pretty sad, white, black, red or green. But this is what has been forced on society, having to defend one's own existence.

 

Where did I ever deny that Northerners owned slaves? If I have a holier than thou quality to me it's only because I find myself vastly superior to those who try to defend the south by implicating the north as if misdeeds by one excuse the other. I have no problem admitting I'm intellectually and morally superior to all who find slave owners "good guys".

 

Is that suppposed to help you claim? Really? First off pointing out 1 or even several people who might believe your claim does not prove all conservatives think like that as you foolishly suggested. Second off that’s not even what he’s trying to suggest and you damn well know it.

And what pathetic way to address that. Son of the confederacy? Damn that’s one hell of an alternate reality you got there.

 

True

But neither did the northern soldiers