White Guilt?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Avery Jarhman, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    It is only applicable to those that believe in it.
    Though I do enjoy your heathen statement. While attempting to belittle, it only points up the fact that there is more to the world then one or the other, a concept that apparently escapes some. Shall I suffer a metaphorical bruise from the throw of a book? Not likely, you have your path, I have mine.
     
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    Many many groups have horrors in their past. The duration of those horrors only matter to those affected (ie, those alive at the time). It's on those who survive to avoid the mistake of visiting the resentments of the past, onto the next generation.

    America has not experienced systemic racism for many decades, now. Sadly, black Americans are subjected to something that other 'black' peoples are not. A sector of the white populace determined to keep them helpless. Black Americans are told daily that they are not equal. And treated like children, while it's being said.
     
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  3. Maccabee

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    First off, I thought we were talking about the slavery in Africa, not the Native Americans. Second, I didn't steal any land. Third, I'm part native but mostly black. Finally, torture is not exclusive to Europeans. The Natives scalped their foes and the Chinese torture their dissidents.
     
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    Ok.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

    Chattel slavery[edit]
    Chattel slavery is a specific servitude relationship where the slave is treated as the property of the owner. As such, the owner is free to sell, trade, or treat the slave as he would other pieces of property and the children of the slave often are retained as the property of the master.[8] There is evidence of long histories of chattel slavery in the Nile river valley and Northern Africa, but evidence is incomplete about the extent and practices of chattel slavery throughout much of the rest of the continent prior to written records by Arab or European traders.

    Let's not forget the Egyptians who enslaved the Israelites for over 400 years.
     
  5. Collateral Damage

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    Esau is confused... the Native Americans did have some of the most barbaric tortures you could imagine. The were not kind, gentle souls if you were from an enemy tribe, or had betrayed your own.
     
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    I have no control over your hallucinations.


    I agree, that your original statement still stands. And that's only because your original statement is, hallucinogenic, in terms of your wild fantasy that I'm trying shove any one into any niche.

    All I'm doing here is posting proofs/providing facts which you nor Mac can override with your peculiar institution.

    I'm going by how your pontifications here are, pro-Racism, as you shame the idea of us White people paying Black citizens the debt we owe to them thanks to today's legacy of slavery.

    I view you as according to my experiences with opinions, like yours, which always feature people who enjoy their White Privilege. They post exactly the way you post, when refusing to take responsibility for today's harvest you reap via that White Privilege.
     
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    The natives also owned, Black slaves, gifted to them by the White slave-owners when trying seduce the Indians for this land. And those natives were very thankful for the slaves/never turned down such great gifts. It's partly why the Cherokee Indian tribe is so synonymous/so intertwined with Black citizens.

    It's the exact reason why I go straight into ROFL mode, anytime clueless individuals try to say that way back then Indians were treated worse than Blacks.
     
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  8. Maccabee

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    But we weren't talking about Indians. We were talking about the African slave trade.
     
  9. Collateral Damage

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    Ah, a wonderful post that provides no data, unsubstantiated opinions, and loaded with racial innuendo.

    If you were ever to take the time to 'learn your mark' as the saying goes, you might, just might, have an iota of understanding of the basis of some people's position on the subject. Yet you have continued on the path of the mighty paintbrush, though I do give you credit for the quality of the paint, which you have spread quite (pun intended) liberally.

    A simple question for you, based on your determination to believe that people are continuing to 'benefit from a society based on slavery', would not that benefit now also extend to the very people you claim are still enslaved? That the learning curve of the 'enlightened' has exceeded the position of the unenlightened, by the basis of their 'moral and intellectual superiority'?

    Feel free to pony up funds to people who you have enslaved for 400 years by your words and your deeds, to continue to tell people with darker skin that they are not intelligent enough, not strong enough, and not good enough to be equal to all others. The rest of us will treat people, regardless of color, as humans and individuals if value.
     
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    Once again, your remarks are very deceitful and extremely dishonest. For example, White Privilege is real, here in the USA. And we White people do not have the Right to say that it is not real. I provide reputable link after reputable link and multitudes of unbiased flawless scholarship, verifying White Privilege, yet you use nothing but your 'emo posts' to pretend that I provided no data no empirical proofs but did provide innuendo.

    And, I like that about how I haunt your Conscience :) with veracity you cannot delude to.

    Because only satanic, demonic people will say that today the USA is not a racist society toward Black citizens. Therefore it is surely colossal deceit, when you claim this is the path of a "mighty paintbrush" wherever you hate truths about that White Privilege which all White citizens get to enjoy.

    Ann Coulter is a stern White-Supremacist, and even she admits, that White America owes Black citizens a debt via the legacy of slavery/current Jim Crow laws which Black citizens continue to toil in to this day.

    And please stop blaming me, for your evils, as I defend darkskin Black citizens here in our society where people like you are allowed to get away with pretending that you are not mistreating them when you mask it as the learning curve of the 'enlightened' exceeding the position of the unenlightened.
     
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    Stop it. Don't be deceitful here like you are when discussing Black people.

    Quit pretending that you didn't talk about Indians in your post, where I simply replied to it with truths that you hated to have to think about the Indians.

    The nerve and gall of Black citizens to pretend that when our White ancestors gifted Indians with Black Slaves, it was not another dimension of The African Slave Trade; A pristine example of how self-hatred can cause one to lose sight of reality.
     
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  12. Collateral Damage

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    Please specify what I said that was deceitful or dishonest. Please also specify where I said it did not exist.

    Haunt my conscience? And here I thought we were having a bit of a discussion...."with veracity you cannot delude to"... is English not your primary language? I'm fine if it's not, just not knowing what you were trying to say here.

    The part you keep missing, by WIDE swaths, is that not everybody who is light skinned has benefitted from your all-encompassing 'white privilege', nor do they separate themselves from those with darker skin. There are legal ramifications if an employer discriminates based on race, creed, sexual orientation and a host of other categories. One cannot, and should not, police other's thoughts... one can be calm and persuasive on the outside, but internally seething with anger and hatred. It is the nature of the human beast.

    Satanic or demonic? Oooohhhh, the drama! In general, there are less racist people today then there were, say 10 years ago. I'm not quite sure where you get your information from, but I would say that if you believe that people are MORE racist today then 10 years ago, you need to check with other sources.

    I do not follow, listen, watch or read Ann Coulter. Therefore, what a media personality has to say on the subject is not relevant to me. While were are at it, don't bother to reference entertainers or most US political figures. There, hopefully I saved you some time digging up other pointless quotes.

    Mistreating 'them'.... mistreating who? I do not mistreat people, or animals. All humans are my equal as humans, so apparently your perceived guilt is coloring your perception of other people. Projection, perhaps?

    You must work quickly, your paint is starting to dry.....
     
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    If this is true, then its very unfortunate. Most notably, if you yourself have taken a similar path.

    Because I easily noticed how you no longer respond to scholarship I post here, every since that day I laid out facts about Stop'n'Frisk Racism in NYC. In terms of how you potentially used your position as a cop, to subjugate Black residents of Brooklyn, especially when you misunderstood that Brooklyns' White population is larger than its Black population.

    I didn't mean to intimidate you with facts or truths that way, bro. :) Feel free to return to exchanging beautiful ideas or consider being like me; I learned to love it whenever the truth hurts me.
     
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    Yours dried already, like almost 157 years ago. 31dec1862, to be exact, and you are still stuck there in that frame/pretending White Privilege is not real and is merely normal great progress being misnamed and mistreated.
     
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    So, bottom line is, you can't prove I said that it wasn't real, and you continue to believe the world should share your guilt for something they had nothing to do with.

    So noted.
     
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    No, the bottom line is, that I don't need to prove you said a thing here. Because, You already proved it. Yes, so smile the camera, as you are the exact student who Robert Jensen was talking to in his scholarship I like to post here.

    You proved it every time you admit that White racism exists, then you refuse to explain how it rapes Black citizens. And every time you admit White Privilege is real, then you refuse to define how it unfairly benefits White people. So yes you might admit that it is real, but you ignore what it means in real time.

    That's right bro, I might love you, but still you cannot fool me. For example, although you said "you can't prove I said that it wasn't real" nonetheless I bet it is not a coincidence if you cannot show me any remarks on this website where you ever, EVER, truthfully listed the tangible empirical benefits of White Privilege we Caucasoids get to enjoy.
     
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    Because you feel it 'rapes blacks', exactly what are YOU doing to counteract it? I know what I'm doing to level the playing field, and it's not throwing money at it. It's not telling people that they are guilty of something they aren't doing... you, and your paintbrush try and say that ALL people with lighter skin are guilty of racsim, and that is a false premise from the get go, and you can't even see it because you are too mired in the idea that everybody that has lighter skin has benefitted from 'white privilege'. FALSE.

    By perpetrating your false narrative, you continue YOUR white privilege and YOUR racism that anyone other than light skinned shall not be treated as an equal. Not better, not less, but EQUAL.
     
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    No, let us stick to addressing if you agree/disagree with facts of my previous post. See, look:
     
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    im not belittling you, merely pointing out your delusion. it matters not your own personal opinion, the fact remains that you all have to swear on the bible in your day of judgment. dont like it then take it up with your own judicial system and government and stop sniffing at me.
     
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    You are very proud. Is not difficult, repeat after me;

    "you are right Esau, nobody has ever been enslaved for 400 years, apart from so- called african americans"
     
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    1. Conversations move forward, thats the nature of dialogue.
    2. white americans stole land, if you are white then that pertains to you.
    3. Who cares?
    4. Never said it was exclusive, europeans developed ever elaborate means of torture, more so than any other nation.
     
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    i asked for evidence of chattel slavery in africa so you give me an unamed [dubious?] source that states "evidence is incomplete about chattel slavery in africa"

    is this a joke?
     
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    no, it wouldnt benefit everybody if there was institutionalized racism, which there is.
     

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