White nationalism is NOT white supremacism.

The guy is a 21-year old nut case who killed 22 people

You dont really think there was any rational motivation for that, do you?

 

Since the vast majority of trump supporters - 99% at least - do not believe that Jews are trying to replace whites why do you continue to make that the central theme of your hate towards trumpsters?

 

Legallly they are US citizens

But do they understand what America is?

Some, perhaps even many do

But many do not

 

I agree

Immigrants who grew up under Soviet repression tend to understand what a great place America is and how lucky they are to be here

Whereas many liberal socialist progressives who were born here hate this country

I know thats not what you had in mind but its a fact nevertheless

 

Supremacists of all colors PORTRAY themselves as nationalists to conceal their true agenda. Nationalists, real nationalist place the needs of ALL Americans ahead of the needs of foreign nationals. There's nothing evil about nationalism. MSM refuses to acknowledge there's a big distinction between nationalists and supremacists, and that's something that everyone should be concerned about. Media is intentionally portraying that nationalism is white supremacy, because a white supremacist masqueraded as a nationalist.

 

East germans suffered for so long under the Soviet boot that they are still a bit crippled inside and deserve our pity, but that doesn't give them the right to try to drag Germany down to their level of hate and paranoia to nurse their cowardly grudges against the rest of the world.

 

Maybe we should just drop the race focus of any hyphenated nationalism. How 'bout American Nationalist......better yet "American Citizen Nationalist"!

 

Funny how some wait for a tragic incident and try to use that as a common brush for all of us, rather than identify it a the one person in 300 million who went off the rails. Especially when they ignore every incident which doesn't lend itself to support their own political position. But I'm not amused at such behavior- I'm offended by it. We all should be.

 

Any one who does not use a crime (tragic incident? give that nonsense language up, podjo) to try to end the environment surrounding the crime simply has no cred in the discussion.

 

Because he appeals to populace’s prejudices and fears, and not the reason and intellect.

Trump may or may not have inspired the El Paso Fascist Fiend, but neither did he give the fiend any reason to pause and reevaluate.

Immigrants are not a threat to the nation’s prosperity, the welfare state is. China is not a threat to our individual well being, Trump’s tariffs are. And a free press is not a threat to liberty, the government deciding what is true or false is.

 

This is the same as placing the needs of the majority over the rights of the minority—and the smallest minority is the individual. Well, tell me, who is the majority in America, it certainly isn’t foreign nationals.

Nationalism is racism, just depends upon who the race majority is. How about instead of embracing Nationalism and emotionalism, we embrace, as free independent souls, Individual Rights and Reason, the foundational principles upon which the Republic was built? Wouldn’t that be the proper moral stand to take? I submit it is.

 

He gave his reasons, no one made him. I think you should take a man at his words. And though it is true it’s just one man carrying it out, how far away is America from making his views legal policy, not for random acts of rage, but for military action to defend the borders from those not like us cultural invaders? Not as far as anyone who values liberty over tribalism would like.

 

No nationalism is not the same as racism, because Americans come in all colors. Addressing Americas homeless crisis isn't racist. Improving American education isn't racist. Protecting American workers isn't racist. That's nationalism. Trump haters have convinced themselves the American flag, and national anthem are symbols of white supremacy, so I'm not surprised they don't understand the difference between patriotism and racism.

 

Sure, plenty of pure speculation and projection on your part.

 

A mass murder has no right to murder.

The minority has no right to support the "rights" of a mass murderer other than to a fair trial.

 

Wait. Reality is about to teach you.

Until then, watch and learn
Is Nationalism Good for the Individual.

 

Reality is going to give Trumpnationalism a hard knock on the head.

 

You don’t think any of his ideas were rational, do you?

 

Reality just tried to teach you something, and the lack of any substantive rebutal means you're waiting on fresh talking points. A white supremacist identifying with some nationalistic ideas doesn't make him a nationalist. A racist took immigration law into his own hands and he might be representative of racists, but he doesn't represent nationalists.

 

The left seems to want to make everything have a source of racism. That is absurd, because very little today does. The fact that extremists exist on all sides and most issues is irrelevant to the overall issue- that is the exception and nothing more. The opinion or frustrations of one person do not constitute evidence of a trend in any way- only the mental state of that one person. But in today's political climate, the left is grasping for any and all straws it can turn into a weapon to destroy common sense, justice, logic- and of course personal freedom and identity. This one person's acts are being blamed on an entire society, for exactly that reason. I see those who distort this as little better than the violent person who committed the atrocity- it is an attack on all of us.

The idea that being of a minority or a color other than white gives you special privilege IS RACISM- in a twisted reverse way. It makes no difference if an illegal immigrant is brown, black, yellow or white. the key factor is ILLEGAL. To exclude some from the law because of color or nationality- IS DISCRIMINATION.

Liberty for certain races, not for others because we already have enough of them? Racial privilege.

Perhaps people should feel bad because they were born to white parents, who like all parents- wanted the best for their children and worked to provide it? Feel guilty for doing the right things for your family and country because of your race? That crap-logic is sadly infecting our weaker minded people- for example:

"Actress Rosanna Arquette took to Twitter to apologize to her followers for being “born white and privileged” just days after saying she’ll never again stand for the American flag.
“I’m sorry I was born white and privileged. It disgusts me. And I feel so much shame,” the “Pulp Fiction” actress wrote on Wednesday."

When a person is disgusted with themselves because of natural conditions they had nothing to do with, you are looking at a mind that has no ability to reason or use logic or common sense, and allows garbage to contaminate their thinking without question. You can't get life and reality much more screwed up than that. Perhaps poor people of color should apologize for being born colored and poor, and there by lowering the average quality of life level in America.
Makes just exactly the same sense.

We can thank the liberals and socialists for this disease which is destroying some people's common sense and values. People who have no pride in themselves, in their accomplishments, in their heritage- becomes like drones for that movement. Sacrificial drones- who no longer have a life or ability to contribute to society, and is fact mean nothing to the manipulators using them. That IS disgusting.

 

Nonsense

Common sense knows that illegal aliens are bad for America

It the liberals were are running on nothing but emotion - love for anyone who is not white, and hate for trump

 

"They're murderers, they're rapists and some of them are good people."

Yea that's so partisan and "liberal".

There are over 30 million Latino American citizens, many of whom now feel they have a target on their backs.

The right to seek asylum is a contingent of international law.

The adjudicator should be a judge not a young, racist, fanatic with an assault weapon.

 

If he was a 13 year old black or Latino kid who'd shot up even three or four white people, he'd be on trial for murder, terrorism and who knows what else AS AN ADULT! (Actually, he probably wouldn't because he'd be dead).

This is what "the privilege" never seem to get.

Well no but my view of "rational motivation" doesn't exactly comport to the views of right wing extremists with assault weapons.

There is ZERO evidence this shooter was mentally ill. This was a mass political assassination. He knew exactly what he was doing as evinced by his detailed manifesto.

People have been heard shouting "shoot them" at Trump rallies and the crowd cheered and the President just laughed it off rather than insist they be taken in for psychiatric evaluation.

What does that tell you about where we are these days?

Stop making excuses for this.

 

Seems it takes some time to get to the bottom of things like this, and especially to understand the motivations and mental state of the person. Without question, the mindset was not normal, but most people chose to ignore it. However,. we already know that a "Zero evidence" claim is beginning to crumble.

The mother of the El Paso shooting suspect called Texas police weeks before the shooting to relay concerns about her son and the semi-automatic rifle her son had acquired, according to reports.
"The call, to the City of Allen Police Department, was passed to a public safety officer who told the mother of Patrick Crusius, 21, that he was legally allowed to own the weapon, attorneys for his family told CNN." Allen, where the suspect is from, is a Dallas suburb some 580 miles from El Paso. We are also learning of communications the shooter had sent to friends that indicated major problems existed in him.

As is common- there were people, in this case a mother, who were concerned enough with possible dangers that she alerted the police department- which of course didn't do any follow up because... He hadn't shot anyone yet. If we want to stop murders like this, we are going to have to start paying attention to the signs warning us of the possibilities. Cruz, the Parkland Florida school shooter- was reported to the FBI twice, the local police and several other authorities as having told his friends he intended to "shoot up a school". Nobody- not even the FBI, paid attention.

These people aren't really normal one day and crazy the next. Sometimes the situation is readily obvious, sometimes less- but there are nearly always indications. The question is one of our attention and response.... and how far things have to go before something intercedes to prevent these kind of incidents.

 

Keep the faith, baby. Keep the faith.