"White Privilege" doesn't exist

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Ronstar, Dec 10, 2014.

  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    I haven't lived everywhere, but thanks for the compliment. And I haven't even been to America (yet ... maybe never), so there's that.

    And yes, I am familiar with both the migrant experience, and the POC experience. For my sins, I'm also familiar with the Well Heeled White Prog experience. Regardless, there is nothing so overtly superior and obnoxious as a bunch of white hipsters discussing the racism experience, in a white hipster cafe, in a white town, in a white country. And they are far faaaar from 'just trying to do the right thing'. If they were genuinely interested in the 'right thing', they would not even see race, much less talk about it as a King talks about how to be kind to his peasantry. They do it strictly for the Virtue Points. They can tell themselves, and you, that's all about Compassion, but we both know it's merely a Mask of Compassion.
     
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    I've been refused entry to many stores, based on my race, yes. Screamed at, had things thrown at me, spat upon, etc. Why does this shock you?

    And where did I 'put down black people'? Give me an example. If you're talking about African Americans, then yes, I have A LOT to say about that culture ... but it has zero to do with their race. If you came away with the impression that it had something to do with race, then you haven't been paying attention. Are you sure you don't just automatically leap onto anything which might feed your need to see racists behind every tree?

    As for 'internalised messages', they are optional. All of us have the capacity to ignore them, or rewrite them. They are not fixed features of our psyche. You're out of your depth on this, my dear.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not fighting for civil rights. You only act as if you are. What you learned from me is that Democrats were the slave companies. Democrats were foght with by republicans. And republicans won. Democrats formed the KKK and did the lynching. Democrats put blacks into positions in the army where white officers led the men and the blacks were not considered officer material. I recall Mom voting for Truman and he also practiced segregation until he ended it. Then blacks could be blown to hell the way whites could.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FDR did not want them in the front line units. Democrats practiced discrimination full blast. So that is why few blacks got killed.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it was Vietnam before blacks in America started to carry their own weight.
     
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    Yes I realize there are people like that, sooner or later their BS will come back at them... there is nothing more nauseating than seeing someone get virtue points when you know they are FOS.

    Discussing it isnt the problem, its when someones actions dont match their words.
     
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    I actually think that constantly discussing it IS a problem. We were on top of the racism thing, 15 years ago. Now it's gone to heck in a hand-basket.
     
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    ...when you believe you are morally superior and accuse people of insulting you, and you say things like this...you have a shorter trip to the gutter
     
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    If you don’t know, how would I?
     
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    And you wonder why I don’t believe half of what you write? Week old Infants show no preference for toys. Why do you make up things that anyone with intelligence knows is ridiculous
    It’s a waste of time trying to show you that socialization plays a big role.
    And the ignorance to assume that her son didn’t ask for a doll and that she forced it on him. Whoever said anything like it? But there again goes your pattern of making up false scenarios.
     
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    You're the perfeshnall expert.
     
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    I wrote "week old" as in a "couple of weeks" because I thought the infants in the study were only a few months old, but turned out- now that I looked it up - they were around 9 months old. Nonetheless, point remains that toy preference is mostly biological and not "conditioned". As mentioned, even chimps show "gendered object preferences".

    Socialisation plays a minor role since there are clea, evolutionary diffrences between boys and girls.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Discussing an issue can never be a problem. The problem, however, is that racism and sexism is not really discussed in contemporary debate - We are told these made up scenarios of "oppression" are real and not, what they really are, theoretical delusions. All we hear is "women are oppressed, women are oppressed, women are oppressed" and "Blacks are victims, Blacks are victims, Blacks are victims". There is also some sort of bizarre hunt for victimhood status cause by this. Anytime anyone seeks to actually discuss and question the narrative, they are silenced with labels such as "internalised misogyny", "Uncle Tom" and "privileged, white males can't have an opinion!"
     
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    Gee, quite a difference between one week and nine months ...at nine months they have already been socialized, the toys for nine month old boys are different than girls, parents won’t dress their boys in pink...blue for a girl isn’t bad .You seem to think that I believe boys and girls are the same. No they are not and I am totally aware of that but socialization has a lot more impact on their attitudes than you think. . Did girls suddenly become athletic? Years ago we encouraged boys to be athletic but not girls. Now we socialize differently and girls sports are booming the norm and girls are getting scholarships rarely heard of not that long ago. Think about fairytales. It was always the girls who had to be rescued by boys, there are internalize messages there. Now bookstores have so many stories of girls being the heroes.
    Boys were expected to know how to fix cars, girls were expected to know how to cook. And then when boys got in trouble we’d say “boys will be boys”..but not to “girls will be girls” . See an Internalized message there?
     
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    It can be. Maybe it depends where you live. Sounds like you have personally had some bad experiences, I havent experienced anything bad because of my race.
    Standing Rock, Women, Gay/Lesbian, Homelessness, Immigration have taken center stage around here. Race is still part of it though.
     
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    The word narrative is just as over used as internalized misogyny. lol
    How can you claim to KNOW what others experienced? Even when there is proof.
    Sometimes all people within a certain group get blamed , usually its because of the denial.

    I dont think its victim hood anyone is seeking, just recognition of the truth.
     
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    True... Not as overused as are the words "discourse" and "structure" though. :p

    This is not, by any means, happening on a "structural level" of any kind neither is there any systematic and concrete oppression of women and minorities in the West today.

    It has become a huge ndustry where people write articles about how, basically, everything and everyone is oppressing them; if it is not a glass of milk, it is someone calling them "Mrs" when they identify as "Mr".
     
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    I,. Surprised you shared this as it explains everything I’ve been saying.
     
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    I shared it with a "lols". The video is absolutely pathetic and extremely racist.
     
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    no, what is pathetic is the white person telling black people what they should,think. ..tell us reverse discrimination.
     
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    Where did I tell anyone what to think? :no:

    Racism has no fixed race or a specific owner. Anyone can be a racist and I agree with the video that there is no such thing as "reverse racism" because the correct term is racism.
     
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    You mean like white people telling Kanye he is the very devil? And white people insisting that POC vote Democrat? And white people insisting that some religions favoured by POC are just awesome, but others are terrible? And white celebrities pompously sermonising on racism from podiums? Etc etc etc ... ad freaking nauseum.
     
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    Brilliant response, Rittz!
     
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    Some race-related experiences, yes. Either way, if we don't (individually) refuse to make race a thing, race will always be a thing. We need to shut the hell up about it, and just get on with not caring what damned skin tone other people have.
     
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