"White Privilege" doesn't exist

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    We're all individuals, in 2018 - since there is no longer any identity-based institutional inequality.

    And then you go on to talk about history, again.
     
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    Why? Do you need him to qualify or something? Are you going to judge his brownness?
     
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    I have great respect for teachers. Almost as much as I have for parents who support their child's education. Almost.
     
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    You probably still won't qualify. These collectivists need cartoonish examples of noble peasantry, set against a cartoonish Mean Streets of America, full of Nazi Cops and the like. Anything subtler than that is too much like real life, and therefore didn't happen.
     
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    And some women will join them. Myself, for example.

    I think (functional and decent) men have been having a hard time for a few decades now. It's the very reason a bunch of child psych types had to start producing books on how to raise boys - to be men, not confused and unhappy workhorses - in the 90s. And why all those 'drumming groups' etc sprang up around the same time.
     
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    Yeah, these people are used to always have their worldview confirmed because they are the cultural- and intellectual hegemons of today - at coffee break, they sit with their faculty collegues and everyone has the exact same opinion on everything, they turn on the news and find the reporters repeating their narrative and they go to Tumblr and - once again - find their worldview confirmed by some Feminist blogger.

    They rarely interact with people of different opinions and when they eventually meet one, they cannot think anything but "this man must be evil" and their reality gets even more shattered if it is one of their beloved minorities that expresses disagreement with them.

    Absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    No. Instead, they're encouraged to ignore their primitive gender drivers (starting that cognitive dissonance early!), go clothes shopping with their women - like handmaidens, patiently waiting waiting waiting, talk about her feelings like a BFF, work in a job he hates from age 20 to age 70, barely have any time with his kids, maintain the house, put the garbage out, remove spiders, change tires, unblock toilets, climb on the roof, put himself in front of his woman/kids when that Pit Bull/Bear/Wild Boar charges, paint the house - constantly, rarely complain - about anything, volunteer to help any and all neighbours/friends/family with anything they can't or won't do, and never get sick.
     
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    "Pack your bags, honey - We are going to gulag!"
     
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    They're ultimately bone lazy, intellectually, emotionally, and actually. It's all just lip service.
     
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    Muh, muh, muh toxic masculinity!
     
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    Renee, my love, you know almost nothing. You have zero first hand or personal experience of racial prejudice, and you freely admit that all your knowledge is derived from a white (presumably middle class) American life. You are attempting to speak for people you have no real experience of, much less any kind of right to speak to. You are not black, brown, or even 'yellow'. You have never lived anywhere but in a white majority nation. Your parents probably never lived anywhere but a white majority nation. You're not married to a POC, and don't have brown children. You fail in every possible regard, in this arena. I'm sorry, but at some point rank must be pulled. All you're doing is perpetuation old tropes, and ignoring personal experience.
     
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    Crank sweetie pie, for years I lived in a racially mixed neighborhood....
    I taught in one of the toughest schools in Brooklyn .And you are right I am not black or brown or yellow but my students were all black and Latino and shared their pain of racism with me, As I mentioned I developed a curriculum in prejudice awareness. They taught me more about racism than I could imagine. But then again there are so many other forms of prejudice that we all shared.
    I find it absolutely obnoxious that you know everything about me because you created something in your imagination like someone else here does. I know more about discrimination than you ever will.
    I did a work shop this morning and shared many of your views ...and the danger of creating false scenarios to justify bigotry
    And as long as I can I will fight for the oppressed while you pretend that there is no discrimination or prejudice, as long as you do nothing because after all you’re not black so therefore you don’t have to do anything. We just have different values honeybunch
     
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    The bully boys are getting too vicious so I will leave this site....
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get it.

    You lived among blacks.

    Taught blacks.

    Ergo global expert on race.

    Are you expert on our white race? Seems we are whom you fight so much.
     
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    Sorry, it's nothing like living this stuff. And again, I pull rank. You can't be speaking for these people you claim to be amongst. And no, you cannot know more about 'discrimination' (of this variety) since it's all just intellectual adventure for you. I have spent much of my adult life living it. My husband lives it. My children live it. My relatives live it.

    Finally, there is NO OPPRESSION. There hasn't been for decades. All we have left now is personal opinions, and you are not going to change those. You literally have nothing left to 'fight'. You're wasting time and energy on 'the bad guys', instead of empowering your brown kids to ignore those idiots and get on with making a success of themselves.

    In fact if you're NOT doing that (encouraging your brown/black kids to pull their socks up and leave whitey in the dust), then you yourself are practicing a form of oppression. It's no better than spoiling a child. And both actions are the product of contempt - I hope you can see that.
     
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    Funny stuff.

    I've been traveling continuously for the past 14 years, including living in 4 different countries and traveling to 40 altogether. I have lived in countries where European 'whites' are a minority. In fact, I spent 10 years living in countries where European 'whites' are a small minority.

    What we are talking about here is white privilege in North America, especially the US, and in Europe, especially Western Europe. As well, in the non-white dominated countries I lived in, color was not a big issue: religion and culture--those are the issues. My experience has been that dark skinned people do not discriminate based on race the way white's do. In America, we do have reverse discrimination, but it is a response to the racism of whites against blacks and other people of color.
     
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    This is so completely wrong it's unbelievable. No oppression? How completely wrong that is. People of color or 'brown kids' as you call them are "the bad guys"? Really? You have absolutely no idea what the reality is.
     
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    If your interpretation of the quoted post is "Brown kids are society's bad guys", then it is no wonder you see oppression wherever you turn your head.
     
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    No need for such tautologies. Just say you lived outside of Europe.

    Please be more specific, what Western European countries is it exactly that you are talking about here and how exactly does "White Privilege" manifest itself in these countries?

    Well, duh! In racially homogenous communities, race will not be a primary classification factor. Identification in itself is not a problem because it happens automatically. The problem occurs when crackpots decide to only see groups and allow the "forrest to block the trees", so to speak.


    I grew up in neighbourhoods that were majority immigrant and went to schools that were majority immigrant/second generation immigrant. I have witnessed these immigrants express racist views not only against Swedes, but even against one and other. Racism is not at all primarily a "White issue" and claiming so is actually inherently racist.
     
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    Did I ever say I am a global expert on race? Spoken like a true extremist
    I just have insights that I’ve gained. I could never know what it’s like to be black. Don’t forget I give workshops in prejudice and having worked with thousands, I can safely draw some conclusions a..and learn.
    One that really hit me was the prejudice against the disabled. I had a student who had cerebral palsy and to my surprise she asked if she could talk to the class. She said to them,”I would rather you make fun of me than ignore me and pretend I don’t exist” I was guilty of that. If there was someone badly deformed, I would look away.she taught us a good lesson
    I find this sad.....we just have different values
     
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    I agree, there is also some black privileges that whites do not have

    I believe people should be treated equal regardless of race, gender or religion
     
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    So, on the disabled, you were not an expert and perhaps with all honesty, still are not.
    And you were asked if you are an expert on the white race? Ask Candace Owens what it is like to be black.

    You speak to groups. At least listen to this black woman who also speaks to groups.

     
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    Crank is correct in her outlook.

    I like to cite a black man at this point. We were at his then office in San Jose Ca when discussing race. He says to me, Nobody can make me feel inferior without my permission. I fully agreed with him on that comment.

    Here is the man that spoke to me. And not one time, but he ordered appraisals from me over a period of time of several years.

    https://www.allen-temple.org/pastoral-team/269-rev-olu-bereola
     
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    What are black privileges that white don’t have?
    No one denies what you are saying , yes they should an treated equally but if they were we wouldn’t have to pass laws to equalize the Injustices
     
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    Yes, I have to tell that to the fat girl being made fun of day after day....
    I have to tell that to the kids whose parents tell them their dumb etc.
    . I never tell students that..I encourage them to try to not let it hurt them, I acknowledge their feelings saying “no one can make me feel bad is blaming the victim , then we work on how to deal with the issue . That man is being very logical....but totally unpsychologial. It really is blaming the victim.
    I wonder how he would feel if most of his congregation told him sermons are awful....
     

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