White "suremacy/nationalism", does it exist?

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White "supremacy/nationalism", does it exist?

  1. Of course not, it's something invented by lefties because yelling "racist" was losing its' impact

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  2. It does exist but by a tiny minority who are wholly unrepresentative with little impact

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  3. Neither here nor there

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  4. It does exist and is a serious problem

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  5. It's everywhere and threatens to destroy the entire country!

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  1. AltLightPride

    AltLightPride Well-Known Member

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    White nationalism definitely exists as a fringe ideology. We've seen a few on this forum, there are people who want to build a 100% white country. It's completely overkill, but seeing the failures of integration currently it's expected to see separatists pop up.

    White supremacy used to be a word for those who believed that white people should rule over non-whites, like the slavers or colonialists of the distant past. In the present however, that word no longer means anything and it's become a ridiculous attempt at a slur for white people that progressive supremacists don't like.
     
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    I think you jest, but oh well...
    My question is why do you need to bring color (race) into it at all?
    From your comments, it seems that this idea of White pride is a response to the idea of Black or any other pride.These other racial/cultural pride issues seem to arise from the imposition of White culture and a lack of tolerance for other cultures. What's wrong with a multi-cultural society?

    (And yes, I understand that the trouble makers show up for certain pride events.)
     
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    I have to agree with you on the idea of word meanings. That's been one of my hangups for a while now. Those big -isms are words we all seem to think we understand, but we seem to use them in quite variable ways.

    Politics plays on those definitions and they provide us with large receptacles labeled US and THEM to put each other into. If we took the time and focused on definitions before lashing out with all the fan-boy gibberish, we'd probably find that only those fringes would go into the box marked THEM.
     
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    WHITE SUPREMACY:” Manna to the Left.

    Readers of Nineteen Eighty-Four will remember the daily ritual in which the inhabitants Oceania are required to watch a film depicting the hated Emmanuel Goldstein, enemy of the state. In Orwell’s novel, the hate-fest was only two minutes long, whereas the supposed anti-white supremacist fanatics have their propaganda on an endless loop.​

    The rallies against white supremacism” are really all about Leftist Supremacy. “The left is obsessed with white supremacists,” Hoyt observed, “the way that children are obsessed with Santa Claus, and for more or less the same reasons.” Santa doesn’t exist, but the presents pile up every December 25 because the right people have a stake in perpetuating the myth of his existence.​

    Another curious feature of the hysteria over the made-up tort of white supremacism is that its very frenetic quality, instead of highlighting its disingenuousness and absurdity, tends instead to function as a sort of camouflage. Parsing the psychological dynamics of this phenomenon would doubtless take us into deep waters—I’m not at all sure I can explain it—but the Freudians would probably explain in terms of the idea of projection: concealing one’s own unpalatable impulses from oneself by attributing them to another.​

    Plus: “Pop quiz: who is James T. Hodgkinson? Can you say without Google’s help?”
     
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    You answered your question!
     
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    If some wish to have such an event,
    :applause:

    Stop confusing the issue with supremacy.

    Consider:

     
  7. Reasonablerob

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    Wow, I've always liked Martin Mull on WW, STTW and 21/2 Men but I never knew he was a comedy writer too?
     
  8. Adfundum

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    No, I asked you why you brought race into the issue, then I showed how adding White to the idea of nationalism = supremacy.


    As I said, bringing race into the issue brings all the baggage of supremacy with it. You can't talk about White Nationalism without eventually suggesting supremacy.
     
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    Sez YOU!

    I never witnessed Latino Supremacy at a Latino Pride event.
    Please note, I use the phrase, White Pride.
    Pride in European ancestry and contributions to our modern world.
    White Nationalism is baiting. ;)



    Take the last word between us, here.
     
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    Just because we've had a Black President doesn't mean White supremacy is a thing of the past. If we elected a woman President, that wouldn't automatically end sexism either. This country was founded on White supremacy. The Constitution and other founding documents were written with White males in mind, (the ones who had land and money). A few things have changed, but not that much. :)
     
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    Already explained how that works. Sez me...
     
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    It exists & it's a threat to America & others. Hysteria is involved. The Trump policies along our southern border, with the separation of children from parents, & the caging of innocent children for undetermined lengths of time, could all be regarded as expressions of hysteria by the fear-mongering, extremist right under Trump.
     
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    It does. I would say "white nationalism " is different from "white supremacy". I believe all the major groups and race's are nationalistic but not racist. It's a tribal thing. I'm thankful to the American Indians who have held onto their culture under very adverse conditions and have shared with us the spirituality of their understanding of their environment . I'm thankful to the Negro who under extreme brutality brought us a music which touches our inner being even to this day. I'm thankful to the Oriental who brought us beauty, taught us inner discipline using art, and a cuisine that is a pleasure to the palate using small amounts of ingredients. To the mid-eastern country's we owe thanks for suppling the tools for a civilized society and the basics of "law and Order". To the caucasion, who suffered religious persecution, brought us a tolerance of all religions and it's people.

    All should be proud of their race and what it has contributed to the world. It is Ok not to like all people and certain groups as long you understand they have a right to exist. LIVE and LET LIVE.
     
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    Goin to bring this thread back as I feel it's topical.
     
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    White nationalism does exist, as does white supremacism, which are not necessarily the same.
     
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    And since 1968, the racists have had a home in the Republican party.

    In Obama's first year as president, he wanted to be more aggressive. They did some focus groups, looking at Dems, and those Dems reacted badly. Eventually Obama built up a level of trust.

    But there are a number of different sorts of racism, starting with that atavistic impulse that is part of our culture, our history, our reality.
     
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    There's a 3rd category of this type called white separatism, not the same as the other two.
     
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    You're kidding yourself. Politicians for the most part join this party or that for reasons of electability. But Socialists find their home in the Democratic party. And Democrats lose a lot if support because of the party's connection to AOC, Bernie, and Omar.
     
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    Uh huh.

    And that has what exactly to do with the thread?

    And Republicans lose a lot of support due to Trump and his extremists. According to the polls, more...
     
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    Prove it. You folks claim that without proof all the time...
     
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    What that Kevin Phillips devised the "Southern Strategy" that got Nixon elected?

    That people were unsure about Obama at first?

    That there is racism??

    I have gone over a wide variety of issues in serious posts. Most of them get no responses. Your crowd stays away from them. Racism is not hard to find, and books and other sources about it are not hard to find. All you have to do is pay attention. Think of it as homework.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-structural-gaslighting-of-america.573640/
     
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    There is a reason you get no response for your so-called serious posts. You provide no evidence of broad claims except to try and link unrelated items. You get what you earn in this place. The so-called racism people are whining about today is manufactured nonsense, most certainly nothing that can be empirically proven...
     
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    In what way is it a threat? America has been a white supremacist nation for a long time.
     
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    Like mortality rates from Corona virus?

     
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    Yes, unequivocally. There has been a moderately successful rebranding of white supremacy a foot for a couple decades here.

    The same root ideology but different hoods, nationalism, heritage, Christianity, patriotism, pride, and on and on. There are thousands and thousands of groups in the United States.

    As noted above there are numerous expressions of it on this board (witting or unwitting) AND in this thread.

    I suppose the proliferation of “hoods”, the rebranding, is simply an attempt to make it more palatable to the mainstream, hide from the negative social connotations, and evade responsibility.
     

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