Who Here Are Old Enough to Remember Back Alley Abortions?

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There are many women and men who would like to see the days of back-alley abortions come back to life, like things were in the bad old days when butchers, for a fee, who weren't even medically trained preyed upon desperate women.

Don't let these numnutz take away your reproductive rights...make sure that your voice is held with regard to Roe Vs. Wade.

 

I'd like you to point out who these women and men are. I've never met anyone who was pro-life who wanted someone to get a back alley abortion. Why would anyone want people to get illegal abortions if they don't even agree with legal ones? That doesn't even make sense.

Surely you're not suggesting that we're "making you" do these things that you're voluntarily choosing to do with your own free will. Or that we're "leaving you no choice." That would be both pathetic and sad.

 

Because overturning Roe Vs. Wade, which is the desire of every right to lifer, would result in the return of the back alley abortions.

 

I remember back alley abortions and they were often done in hotels or motels..

Bad news...

 

I can't take a position on abortion because I can't resolve the conflict between the idea of individual liberty and the matter of homicide. However, I would like to correct your statement in one respect. If Roe v. Wade is overturned jurisdiction of the question of abortion will devolve to each state. Do you think California will permit any restriction on abortion whatsoever? Same with all the blue states.

 

Roe v Wade states that a woman has the right to privacy to terminate her pregnancy. The SC put certain restrictions on it. Not conservatives. But you post only shows how leftwing pro-aborts keep pushing the rock and claim conservatives are in your business and against women's health. I suggest you read roe v wade yourself.

What are you shooting for really? And what is next? You've already breached the murder of well past viabile unborn being killed by unnecessarily sticking a pair of scissors in their little brains. Are you shooting for being able to legally drown jr. up to a year after birth because baby boy is not sensient?

 

I am pro maintaining the right for a woman to choose if and when she wants to continue a pregnancy.

 

What's next? Not much. Just want women to maintain their reproductive rights as they now have them.

 

It was horrible to hear about...yes, absolutely horrible.

 

Legal minds agree on one thing:

If Roe v. Wade is overturned there will be plenty of places to get safe and legal abortions. Places like Minnesota, California, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Washington, DC. Maryland, Massachusetts and a host of other states. There will be Section 501 (c)(3) tax exempt charitable foundations that will provide financial assistance to poor women to cover the costs of travel and care.

If one is going to argue about Roe v. Wade one must do so objectively without reference to hysteria. That goes for both sides.

 

That isn't particularly helpful for a woman in Texas who will die without an emergency abortion.

 

You are assuming facts not in evidence. You presume that Texas would prohibit abortions where the life of the pregnant person is threatened on an emergency basis.

I am not aware of any jurisdiction which imposed such a rule prior to the time Roe was decided. Are you?

 

Texas is way crazy. I am sure they would try to do just somethat that crazy.

 

Well you may be right. However, it is impossible to imagine a federal court in Texas today refusing to grant an emergency ex parte order compelling an abortion procedure for a woman in immediate danger of death.

And it is impossible to think that a doctor could not be located to submit emergency testimony on behalf of the ex parte motion. Ex parte motions are not opposed. And it is impossible to imagine a lawyer could not be found to walk into the clerk's office and instantly obtain a court order compelling immediate performance of the procedure. Immediate.

Besides, any uncooperative hospital or doctor under these circumstances that refused to save the life of the woman would face a wrongful death lawsuit so massive that it would literally destroy their existences. Total ruin. Total ruin has a way of concentrating one's mind and compelling cooperation.

I take no position on the issue of abortion. I am too deeply conflicted.

 

I had to report that grotesque photo and I hope they take it out. I have to agree with the above post. It is rediculous to blame pro-lifers for the actions of pro-deather/pro-abortionists and their pro-choice accomplices. I think every person who is a pro-lifer would not want any woman to get an illegal or a legal abortion. Women die during legal abortions too. But the culture of death in this country is dispicable enough to misplace the blame on the very people who try to prevent the deaths of these women and children who die from legal and illegal abortions. You have achieved a new low.

This is what I have to say to women who would consider getting either a legal or illegal abortion: It is your own selfishness which compels you to put your own life at risk to kill an innocent child which 99% of the time is nothing more that a product of your own irresponsible behavior. If you can't take the responsibility of taking care of a child, then don't have sex. If you do have sex, but don't want a child, use birth control. It was invented many decades ago. Use the pill in conjunction with a condom. That would also protect you from getting sexually transmitted diseases (STD's) as well. Stop sleeping around, you are embarrassing your parents. Word is getting around town that you're easy.

To the men who have sex with loose women I have this to say: Put a raincoat on your johnson. You have no idea where that woman has been, or who has been there before you. It could be very nasty in there. Think of all the pain and suffering you will be saving yourself from to include puss filled sores, painful urination and that phone call from that one night stand saying, "I'm pregnant."

 

Texas has a “conscience clause” which has the same life threatening effect, as these cases illustrate...

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States that have conscience clauses (46 of them) risk women's health and lives in the same way total abortion bans do, so it isn't so implausible that a state might totally ban abortion.

 

I know what you mean about the conflict of personal liberty and life. This is the only exception I can think of that I would go against personal liberty. The reason is that though there will no doubt be states that put women in a hard position and may resort to illegal abortions, the amount of babies murdered today because it's legal outweighs my concerns of the few illegal abortions that may transpire.

 

How is this picture even allowed on this site?

Very degrading to the woman in the picture.

 

It would be helpful to know the years in which these events occurred. Please let me know if you can. By the way I am no expert on anything in the field of reproductive rights. So you may have to school me some.

 

One side of my brain tells me that the woman is entitled to exercise that element of individual liberty called personal autonomy without interference by govt. But the countervailing uncertainty over homicide leaves me grasping for straws to reconcile the unreconcilable.

 

It has been proven again and again that criminalizing abortion leads to more maternal deaths, and yet you persist. By criminalizing abortion, you make already desperate women even more desperate. The woman in that picture was afraid for her life. She went to an illegal butcher because she thought her husband would kill her if he found out she was pregnant. She felt her only choice was between certain death at the hands of her husband, or risking her life in an illegal abortion. Instead of providing women like her a lifeline, some kind of help, all you can offer are punitive abortion laws.

Who do you think you are, moralizing sexual behavior to grown women? You have no clue about individual domestic situations that make women so desperate they would risk their lives at a butcher's hands. There are some women who have to choose between buying food or birth control. Some women are so dominated by their husbands they aren't even allowed to use birth control. It's easy to judge them, and shake your finger like a headmaster to disobedient schoolgirls, but until you have walked in their shoes, don't be so fast to dictate your own moral code to them.

 

How stupid someone must be to consider abortion as a contraceptive method? Unfortunately, it is usually for many women to think so.
Other fact is that most who agree with abortion are women that worry for their sexual activity to not be restricted if abortion will become illegal (most of them using sex for gaining money, material things or power and control, with or without pleasure).
The conclusion is that with such lack of education is no wonder why humanity is still swimming in misery ...

 

The only thing I can say for sure is that I will not impose my will upon any one. Period.

 

However, we should not forget that it is a crime and must be illegal like any other crime.
The ones who agree with abortion should ask themselves: what if their mother would choose to abort them?

 

You mean without Roe Vs. Wade, women would have NO CHOICE but to continue unsafe casual sex, get pregnant, and feel the need to get rid of it so they continue on as if nothing happened???

What about the rights of the unborn who they don't seem to care about at all? Remember---YOU and I BOTH started out as fetuses. Everyone did. Who will speak for them?

Think about it.