"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

Whether I can name individuals is absolutely of ZERO importance. In fact, if this were about people I can name, it probably wouldn't even be an issue.

Our healthcare problem is about millions of individuals being cut out of adequate healthcare AND the stupendous expenditure that our nation is making on healthcare - federal, local and individual adding to far more than what other nations are spending.

You're getting seriously desperate!

 

cite please.

 

And if any of them had to pay the full cost to actually defend themselves, guess where their healthcare would be. That’s the basics. We should have started charging nations after WWII for everything we do in order to subsidize our costs. We also subsidize the world when it comes to most medications. We pay more here so they can pay less.

Very few nations actually spend anything close to properly defend themselves. They all rely on us and we’ve taken it up the ass for decades.

 

I think thats the issue that many on the right have on this issue, they see healthcare as a product and think that society helping those among us that cannot afford such product — life — is akin to them not being given a free Lamborghini.

Ignoring that a national healthcare program has brought costs down and the level of care up in virtually every first world nation.

These same people are the most likely to call themselves pro-life.

 

I don't need to defend what you don't understand. That is YOUR problem.

 

I gather your reading comprehension is a problem too. Read again, and don't "read into it" like you obviously have here. You seem to think that the 5.8% United Healthcare was"ludicrously high"- so

by all means, go into business and make some of that kind of ludicrous profit. See how long it takes you to go belly up. The fact that other nations do better gets no argument from me- but the why and how is what matters. That you seem to ignore and have no comprehension of.

 

But does that even matter? what the excuse is hen it has to be paid for, for whatever reason they are uninsured the rest of us foot the bill.

 

No, our medical equipment and drug companies are private enterprise.

We pay more because we suck as healthcare consumers.

 

LOL - you can't do JACK to support your nonsense, and that's not changed by you proposing I don't understand something.

If you want to defend your ideas, you're going to have to cite or say something that makes sense.

 

No, it's you that can't read.

I didn't identify anyone who is making "too much" money in my posts to you. You're just making stuff up, since you can't read.

Go back and try again.

And, while your at it, answer the questions that you have ignored.

 

We are a country where consumers spend healthcare dollars.

We are a country which provides Medicaid for low income people. They are not ignored.

What is disgusting is dead people who are waiting for medical care. That is the result of government healthcare rationing.

 

So you cannot name a single person ???

Millions of people. And you can’t name a single one ???

 

Telling. ^^^

So in actuality it is ~ 3 million.


Atlas, Scott W.. In Excellent Health: Setting the Record Straight on America's Health Care (Hoover Institution Press Publication (Hardcover)) (Kindle Locations 3597-362. Chicago Distribution. Kindle Edition.

 

They pay half of what they owe. Private healthcare insurance premiums are ~ 3% higher.

In socialized medicine the middle class taxpayers will foot the bill.

 

I already have. It went through your mind like crap through a goose and you didn't have a clue. Not my problem-YOURS.

 

@fmw check your math on how many in the top 1%.

 

Food-housing-transportation-cell phones- even tattoos are all seen as entitlements by some. But the fact that people can walk in and not be turned down at a clinic proves to them that there is no need to pay anything. Medical care is a personal service. Other people working for you. Somebody is paying.... That's the question. Who is going to pay your bill? Why shouldn't it be you? Why haven't you managed your life to be able to provide for your own basic needs? If you won't take care of yourself, why should someone else?
Because they will if they feel sorry for you. All you have to do is cry poverty. The people who are genuinely in need and deserving our help won't sacrifice their pride to do that.

Cut the abuse and pass proper liability rules, and the cost of medical care would drop 75%- then we could all affprd it.... but nobody is interested in that.

That's the way it is. We made the mess- and we expect somebody else to fix it.

 

The Democratic Party is the party of lawyers. They will never pass tort reform because their members make a fortune on malpractice suits.

 

We are not the worse overall but for bang for the buck it is not even close how we spend twice as much as canada and have poorer outcomes. I mean if we paid 1/2 of what we do and have these outcomes, people would not be screaming for

 

42 percent of the US families makes 14,00 and hour or less. Their insurance cost the same as mine making 2.5 times that amount. Do you think that if those 42 percent all became degree trained engineers like myself they would be 50 million jobs for them paying the 90K a year like me? Asking a family that brings home 500 a week to live on that 1/3 rd of that has to go to healthcare is wrong.

You want to bring down costs? "double" the number of doctors, but the doctor's themselves determine how many seats are at universities. If a college gets any government funding it has to increase the number of seats by 7% a year for the next 8 years. MCAT testing shows that this can be done with no decrease in the number of qualified students. hospitals have to quit building hotels for patients, rooms to be semi-private. Reduced medicare for all payments for patients who have a healthy lifestyle. within 20% of recommended weight, don't smoke, don't drink. take maintenance meds, etc. If you are overweight free gym membership, get yearly or semi annual physicals. Lawyer fees capped at 100,000 per case after expenses, not awards to patients!

For example we pay 11,000 per year per person for healthcare right now, after allowances for people 65 and older who spend 60% of all health care dollars. So that is about 4500 per person, if you don't smoke, drink, not overly fat etc your bill can be reduced or increased. by 20 percent up to the average income. If you make 100,000 a year your bill would be 7000 per bernie. So knock off 1400 bucks because your good behavior.

 

We don't have poorer outcomes. And Canadians come to the US for treatment to avoid the long and lethal wait times.

US healthcare consumers spend their own money on healthcare. Canadians are forced to wait for their government to take care of them.

 

Thank you. 3+ million people.

 

I think we are taking the wrong approach. The key to making health insurance affordable is making health care affordable, and that means analyzing the costs driving it. Most doctors would love to just practice medicine- but our system has made that a pipedream. The paperwork alone takes a lot of the doctors time, and even more of his staff, Worst of all- the tort lawyers hve turned medical malpractice into a major industry, a gold mine. An OB/Gyn, (baby doctor) depending on location, may have medical malpractice insurance costs as high as $200,000 per year. Every one involved in health care has to pay massive insurance costs, and those costs have to be built into the bill the patient gets- and into his insurance premium. It's a merry-go-round, a conveyor belt of money that is skimmed off on every pass by the lawyers making an industry out of telling people somebody owes them for everything. That is why a Tylenol at the grocery store costs 15 cents, and the same Tylenol in the hospital cost fifteen dollars.

Fact is that if you need a hip replacement, you can get a package deal where you fly to Spain, get the surgery, hospital, hotels for your recovery and your round-trip airfare- with very high quality services, all included in one price- for about the same amount as your 20% co-pay would cost you in the US. That's not subsidized, it's what it costs them to do the job and pay the bills and make a profit- without the legal horrors we allow here.

America has three times more lawyers working the money mines than the second most litigation saturated nation in the world. We are the undisputed leader in blaming any entity with money for anything that happens, and suing them. The medical profession is the prime target. If we ever fix that mess, the cost of health care can be a fraction of what it is now, and everybody can afford it. Quality too will increase; defensive medical practices can stop and the shortage of doctors and nurses will end because they can actually use more of their time to practice their art. It's not that complicated- but nobody want to think that way, because somebody surely owes us, and because Dewey, Cheatum and Howe has promised to get us the compensation we deserve.

 

Yes. Private. And they’ve produced the vast majority of drugs the world uses. If the world was only relying on govt run medical research we’d be how many decades behind where we are? It’s blessing and a curse. Somebody has to pay for all that R&D and that falls on us. They’re probably profiting “too much” but who is anyone to decide what too much is?

 

The world is not allowed access to the US developed medications unless they pay the prices which include the development costs until years after their release and lower prices can be negotiated. This is another way in which government run healthcare deprives their citizens of healthcare.