Why are Christians so Mean-Spirited?

Um, isn't that what a lot of people do? Atheists included. Just because I support freedom and free will, doesn't mean I'd support what the Muslim terrorists believe. By your logic, you make it sound like Christians are bad for not supporting what they think is wrong.

 

ummm that isn't the 1st commandment.......

 

there you go, then. in my circles, the 'extremists' here would be considered lightweights. but I agree that this place is not representative of day to day people. there are considerably more Christians here than one might encounter in RL.

 

I suggest that you read it for yourself. Exodus 34:1 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 34:1&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV

Exodus 34:28 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:28&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV

 

one of your own you mean, your the one claiming to be an Atheist, saying you don't believe in God....

doesn't surprise me that you sidestep that... don't be bearing false witness now

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i teach this stuff for a living.
The 10 commandments are in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5
If you are talking about the 613 commandments then you aren't even close.
So the description of the second tablets being written isn't the commandment you are looking for

 

no, Christians ain't the same. even in a country in which they are not the majority (here), they still ride roughshod on the coattails of a long history of dominance. they actually think they have a right to respect (aka, veneration), and exclusive permission to inject their superstitions in any context, public or private. it's the ASSUMPTION that they can do and say whatever they want, and the indignation expressed at the slightest hindrance to their self-appointed freedoms and primacy which needs addressing more than do monuments etc.

 

I'm sure that most people who read Exodus 34:1-28 will admit that it contains the Ten Commandments because the passage clearly says that God wrote the same things on the stone tablets that he had written on the first set of tablets. Are you seriously claiming that Exodus 34:28 is a lie when it plainly says that the preceding verbiage is the Ten Commandments?

 

Au contraire, mon ami. Most atheists HAVE been to church. Some of us many times ... and often it's the very reason we are atheists. Well, a combination of church and bible reading ... which is enough to do it if you're at all rational and unbiased in your reception of the information. What you're missing is that no amount of nice old ladies and cups of tea afterwards will change the fact that it's all about magic and a monster god named Yahweh. Though I will admit that the old ladies and cups of tea are very nice

 

now your comparing same gender marriage to terrorists?

Christians can believe whatever they want, but stop trying to force those beliefs on others via our government

many Christians are Gay, many support same gender marriage, many have been legally married in their church....

you can object to this happening in "your" church, but you have no right to stop someone else from marrying in "their" church

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Here is Exodus 34:28-35

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Well I could possibly object to it if I had an issue with it or if I were to belong to a religion. Had you read my previous posts you would have realized I said I didn't care either way if it was legalization, only that I was conflicted on allowing it due to the fact that either way I voted, it would offend someone. And I wasn't comparing gay marriage to terrorism only that your logic practically allowed me too.

 

no I read it in Hebrew....I just posted a translation. In 34-28-35 there are no commandments.
It is all narrative about what is happening. Moses wrote down the words of the covenant and it says the 10 words....but here is the thing. The way we understand the phrase 10 words is not clear. But if you want to make an argument about other versions of the commandments you have to look at Exodus 34:12....but that is not the real 10 commandments. Since there are 613 commandments in the Torah the 10 that are referenced as THE TEN COMMANDMENTS historically ain't here. Sorry.

 

Problem is, no one knows the heart and mind of another. Now if you want to make every sin illegal then one can harp on sexual sins.
What is or isn't immoral should not be an issue, did jesus find it immoral? What will jesus do? Does the person others think are immoral really matter. For everyone is immoral according to the definition of sins being thought, word, and deed. So in the eyes of God, everyone is immoral and one shall not think another's immoral behavior is any less or more immoral than another's behavior.
Being alive, practically means one is going to hell. Even the bible states how narrow the path is.

 

I side step nothing freshy, been in your face about my position. And you of all people want to preach to me?

Atheist hallway monitor club is that complicated?

 

Please consider the story and I will show why Exodus 34:1-28 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus34:1-28&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV contains the actual Ten Commandments instead of the traditional list found in Exodus 20:1-17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20:1-17&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV and Deuteronomy 5:6-21 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+5:6-21&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV. Notice that some version claim that the list in Exodus 20:1-17 is the Ten Commandments but they are wrong. The verbiage in Exodus 34:1-28 clearly states that it contains the same Ten Commandments that were on the first stone tablets that Moses broke.

1.) We get the traditional list in Exodus 20:1-17. It seems logical. It's a nice concise list and some versions state that its the Ten Commandments. Now consider the story. In Exodus chapter 19 the Israelites had been on the lam from Egypt for three months. Moses calls the people together to meet God at Mount Sinai and Moses went to the top of the mountain. After a few words of warning Moses then went down to speak to the people and he said the words in Exodus 20:1-17.

This is very important as you will notice that there's nothing in the passage that the words in Exodus 20:1-17 were written on stone tables. Therefore it's safe to conclude that these are not the Ten Commandments.

2.) The remainder of Exodus chapter 20 includes other laws and it continues through Exodus chapters 21, 22, and 23. A careful reading of these chapters reveal that the laws are expanded versions of the Ten Commandments found on the stone tablets in Exodus chapter 34.

3.) In Exodus chapter 24 Moses and the elders are summoned once more to the mountain. Moses wrote down all of the words of the Lord and the people sacrificed burnt offerings of oxen. Moses read from his notes and sprinkled the people with blood. Everyone ate and drank. Moses went up into the cloud covered mountain for six days. After that the cloud dissipated and people saw the glory of the Lord like a consuming fire at the top of the mountain. Moses then went into the cloud and stayed for forty days and forty nights.

4.) In Exodus chapters 25 - 27 the Lord gives Moses instructions for building him a fancy sanctuary.

5) In Exodus chapter 28 Moses get instructions on how to make fancy robes for the priests.

6. In Exodus chapter 29 Moses gets instructions on how to initiate the priests and conduct animal sacrifices.

7.) In Exodus chapter 30 it tells about building the altar, conducting sacrifices, and people making offerings as well as the holy incense.

8. ) Exodus chapter 31 is about punishing people and killing them if they have the energy to work on the Sabbath. Now this is the BIG ONE! Moses gets the Ten Commandments!!!!
Exodus 31:18 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+31:18&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV

9. In Exodus chapter 32 the people become so anxious and fearful not having a god to worship they demand that Aaron make them a god. So Aaron tells them to give him all of their gold and he makes them the golden calf to worship. Everyone gets in a party mood and start having a grand time. God sees this and tells Moses to go back and kick some butt. Moses asks God not to kill them and God repents for his anger. Moses then takes the Ten Commandment tablets, written by God himself, and goes back to the camp. When Moses sees the golden calf he gets really ticked off breaks the stone tablets that God had spent days writing. He burned up the golden calf, ground it into powder, and made the people drink it with water. Moses and the Levites went on a killing spree and killed about three thousand men. Hey, maybe God would have killed more than Moses. Moses then returns to the mountain to kiss up to God.

In Exodus chapter 33 God tells Moses to go to the Promised Land. They even had a face to face meeting and they become best buds. Now despite having a face to face meeting in Exodus 33:11Moses was forbidden to see God's face in verse 20.

10.) Now it's on to Exodus chapter 34, where the actual Ten Commandments are revealed. As you can hopefully see, the traditional list wasn't written on the stone tablets that Moses broke when he came down from the mountain. Therefore that list is not the Ten Commandments, which the Bible clearly says is written in Exodus chapter 34.

 

You're saying that religious people "don't ever" try to lead by example and instead resort to persecution and coercion. I don't think you've met all religious people and I don't think it's fair for you to judge folks based on your assumptions or based on bad experiences you've had with folks who also happen to be religious.

Maybe try to understand folks as individuals instead of writing them off as a stereotype. You might be pleasantly surprised by what you find.





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not sure I can speak for the poster you quoted, but the problem (in my view) is that the vast majority of Christians patently do NOT live as though there is an omnipotent god watching their every move. in fact, they live in pretty much the same way as those who don't believe there is a god watching them. why then, all the fuss and bother about this allegedly all-powerful, fate-deciding deity, if no one really believes it anyway? it's not so much that Christians do bad stuff (well, not any more than do atheists, or Buddhists, or hindus), but that they make pronouncements on morality and the like, and refuse to admit that none of that really matters and it's all just for the teddy bear comforts when it suits them. or worse, the deification of mental masturbation. like being madly in love with a movie star, and telling everyone it's a real relationship - then expecting others to revere this relationship, and even build their own lives around it. it's just (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nutty.

 

Wiccans and Gays both promote sexual promiscuity.
That is why Christians oppose them both.

Christians KNOW that sexual promiscuity means lots of fatherless bastards.
And, fatherless bastards suffer tremendous Child Abuse.

Promiscuous people do not care about the kids, though.

 

are you able to get your mind out of the gutter for even a single post, Dave?

 

Will you list those commandments in Ex 34 for us?

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Hmmm,...
The atheists have the kids in the gutter, and that is my point here:

In the 1960's only 25% of black children were born outside of wedlock and today that number is 72% .

 

But the muslims seem to live like God is watching, but you do not listen to them either, do you?

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So you're saying that hurting the kids of the next generation ought be ignored then???

 

You're making a sweeping generalization that isn't accurate or fair. And your jump to pronouncing what a man believes based on how you think his religion should make him act... that's just not reasonable.

If you have a problem with people making pronouncements about other folks beliefs, then you should speak against that. And stop doing it.




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Yeah. Those fundamentalists christians are the potentially violent religious group. Never mind ISIS.

 

You don't get to speak for all Christians. If you oppose something, say you oppose it. And maybe work on a better argument.




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