Why does Biden’s polls continue to drop?

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  1. Joe knows

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    Biden has stumbled into an aggressive world. One that doesn’t have a single economy doing great. It’s times like that where we will have war because people always start wars on economic declines. China will be next and none of this is Biden’s fault. It’s a matter of how we handle it.

    So far I would argue the reasons he is losing his support from the left are the same reasons he’s gaining ground with me. Helping Ukraine, helping Israel (seriously standing firm against the UN with them), stopping attacks from other countries targeting trade. All of which is beginning to make him lose support. I can’t figure out why but I think he’s doing okay there, not great, but okay. Great would be a no fly zone over Ukraine and boots on the ground in Israel to show even further support after Oct 7th.

    Things he has done that I do not like is the pistol brace ban/registration. Publicly not supporting Taiwan for their independence. Pulling out of Afghanistan. Having Kamala Harris as a VP (worst possible choice when he’s as old as he is and the knife that will make me never vote for him). His reluctance to open the economy even after a vaccine was out. His constant attacks on people who did not wear masks yet never addressed the democrats who were also caught without them. His lies and they are flat out lies on jobs created. Domestically he has been garbage and his foreign policy is what I would call a solid B- but it’s tolerable.
     
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    Biden continues to support Ukraine because he’s committed to it and can’t pull out now. As usual, the U.S. has fought a half-assed war that has led to a bigger longer one. If he had given the Ukrainians the planes to bomb the Russians when their tanks were stalled in a traffic jam outside of Kiev, it might have been shorter. Instead the support has been drip, drip drip until now it has be billions per year. But, hey, that buys Democrat votes from the defense industry.

    So far as Israel is concerned, Biden is trapped. The Jewish vote has been important to the Democrats for years. If Biden abandoned them to please his far left college student vote, he’d lose an important constituency. Besides, Biden will buy the college vote with student loan forgiveness.
     
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    Although I revile Joe Biden as a corrupt, pandering, hyperliberal Democrat who was never more than a mediocrity even on his BEST days (decades ago), I feel that many complaints against him specifically are unjustified. Why?

    These weirdly overvalued stock markets aren't his fault, but they are the natural result of too much 'new' money chasing perceived 'scarcity', and this dynamic actually started under Donald Trump! Trump was always, "STOCK MARKETS ÜBER ALLES!", because that's the way that gamblers and other speculators think! Trump started all this 'welfare-shoveling' (as I call it) when the big COVID event was going on, but Democrats took over and got an even bigger 'shovel' and have shown signs that they plan to replace it with a 'front-end loader'. Our national debt-versus-GDP is currently a 123% and is projected only to get even worse....

    Inflation? Sure there's continuing inflation, and if you've been in a hardware store or a supermarket lately -- or even ordered stuff on amazon, you're well aware that the Federal Reserve (which controls the money supply, controls interest rates, and runs everything of any importance in the economy) has a very limited number of things they measure for inflation, many of which ordinary people have to buy all the time! What does the Fed not measure? Ha! They don't take into consideration the price of houses, or gasoline, or natural gas, or anything described as "energy". And, no, they don't count food, either. The list goes on and on -- but -- what the Fed measures and what it doesn't isn't, strictly speaking, any president's fault.
     
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    I agree with much of what you say. But one comment: You don't just "give the planes to bomb". I'm an Army guy, not an Air Force guy. When you start with a qualified helicopter pilot with at least 1,500 hours of flight time, it takes two full years to train that pilot to fight and fly an Apache helicopter. I would think an F-16 would have similar requirements. With that modification to your post, I can't help but largely agree.
     
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    As I remember it, there were Ukrainian pilots who could fly MIGS. One of the European allies offered the old planes, but the Biden administration vetoed the deal. This was a couple years ago, and I am old, but that’s what I recall.

    And, of course, Hunter Biden did accept at least $1,000,000 from the Mayor of Moscow. And since Hunter wasn’t paying income taxes, that was “real money.” When you have a son who spends a lot of time with you and whom Biden has called “The smartest guy he knows,” you have image problems. Could Joe have been paying off his son’s debt? When your family takes big bucks for doing nothing, the suspicions are out there.
     
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    Does anyone think Biden's apparent embrace of the Trans/drag queen agenda had any impact on his poll numbers, good or bad? I think it possible but there's just so much else going on I can't be certain.
     
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    I certainly will never forget how he embarrassed America by appointing a male Energy Department Undersecretary who dressed like a female hooker and had to be fired when he was caught stealing female clothes from the baggage area at an airport. And, of course, that trans monster "admiral" he appointed as head of the US Health Service.

    Biden loves to embarrass our whole nation in the eyes of the world.
     
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    the right never should have reversed Roe

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    True, women felt humiliated by it and were unwilling to have a real man, or a real person as president
    and instead picked a useless angry idiot, and now we are in big trouble.

    He's damaged a few other countries as well.
     
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    True. Most Americans want the abortion option. The right don’t like, but it’s the truth. It’s a loser position to oppose it for Republicans. The more elections they lose because of it, the more abortions there will be.
     
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    I don't think republicans understood just how many younger Republicans supported abortion rights as they do not want the government controling them and their bodies
     
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    That would be off topic and a fair warning. In the OP I clearly stated this is not a Biden vs Trump thread. We are discussing Biden’s poll numbers and policies that may have made this downward trend for his polls.
     
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    This may be true but not true enough to help his polling apparently
     
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    If that’s the case would that have not helped his polling numbers?
     
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    the previous President passed him this world - I do agree though, times like these are where sadly things can go bad quick
     
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    no, most want a younger President that is not as center of the isle (problem is, they can't win the swing States)

    Biden won in 2020 due to the anti-Trump vote
     
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    I assume that “he” means Biden. Biden has tons of baggage that bring him down. The border and inflation lead the list. The fact that Biden is a Democrat would lead most people to assume that he is pro abortion. It’s a given. Therefore the rest of his positions hurt him.
     
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    I also don’t think his college hand outs are gaining him any ground. I think this made more enemies than friends at the polling station.
     
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    Both sides of the issue have validity. The pro-abortion (kill unborn babies) crowd and the anti-abortion crowd (save unborn babies) can never reach agreement. That's why leaving the issue of making laws about abortion is best left to the VOTERS in each state.
     
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    The only legit thing to me is his support for Israel. It's not like Hamas are the good guys either, clearly, but both sides have been horrific in their conduct and Israel does not deserve our support. Otherwise it's really remarkable the disconnect between how the country is actually doing and his support. I think Fox News and other conservative echo chambers have really mastered the art of making people delusional in the service of republican interests.

    I think another factor is Biden just isn't great about messaging. He doesn't sell himself as well as Trump does, who can sell himself even when he F's up. Not to somebody like me, who despised him when he was just a reality star, but clearly to many people.
     
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    There's a Carville adage, "it's the economy, stupid!" that rings true for Biden. It's important not to project your personal beliefs onto the greater whole.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4351561-voters-under-30-economy-biggest-issue-2024-poll/
     
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    I'm not arguing that at the moment the economy is the focus. What I am arguing is that by the time elections get here, the situation in the Middle East, if we do not change course quickly, is going to be so disastrous, that not only will it be massively affecting the economy, but also costing our soldier's lives. And the civilian death toll will be so bad, that anyone affiliated with what is happening there will have no political future.
     
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    I hope you are right. The Biden puppet brigade has thumbed its nose at the Supreme Court decision and kept on giving away hundreds of millions of dollars. That should be another impeachable offense. Biden has many of those.
     
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    Because WE THE PEOPLE reject such socialist policies and high taxation of limits to our own freedom and liberties. Tell me what right as a worker did I not have in my previous 48 year career? When did I no have a paid vacation and sick/personal days? What was this slave contract under which I worked? The only contracts that I worked under were ones I negotiated with my employer, my most repressive years were early own when I was forced into a union and had to work under those contracts.
     
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    doesn't have too, my vote in 2020 was a anti-Trump vote, same will happen in 2024
     

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