Why doesnt god just show himself?

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  1. thebrucebeat

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    They've been saying the same thing since Jesus' day.
    Even Jesus and Paul thought the last days were imminent.
     
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    That is false....none of the above is doing what the Bible describe that the resurrection of the Roman Empire will do. It is true that the Roman Catholic was part of the Roman Empire and was instrumental in leading it to do what it did, but until people are not able to buy or sell unless they accept the name or the number of the name of the man who will head the system, Christians are persecuted by it and the gospel of the kingdom is preached around the world it is not here yet.
     
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    That's because the last days began when the Roman Empire came into existence, (Jewish Nation was under the Roman Empire back then) which is why Jesus was born at that time. The last days are simply the beginning of an unspecified length of time and we are still in that period of time. When Nebuchadnezzar had his dream the last metal on the image (the feet were of iron and the toes were part of iron and clay) represented the Roman Empire, and it is that same Empire the Bible says Jesus will crush at His return. So the world will marvel as the Bible says, because people believe that the Roman Empire will never come back, but the Bible says its deadly wound will be healed.
     
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    One of the funniest posts on Pf EVER!!!

    LOL!!!
     
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    So the last days came before Christ's birth?
    Wouldn't that make them the last millenia, not days?
    This is more of the absurd interpretation that Darby puked out in the 19th century of the book of Revelation, and you have bastardized it still further.
    Do you know what apocalyptic literature is with its conventions and symbols?
    Darby had no clue.
     
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    I did not say the last days came before Christ, I said the last days began when the Roman Empire came into existence and that we are still in the last days. Jesus was born in the last days but the last days did not end, but the end of the last days will come at Jesus' second coming.

    I know nothing about Darby nor have I ever read anything he wrote......I study the Bible and that's it whether what he wrote agree with what I say or not is not important. What I said is not an interpretation the Bible was not written in English and what is translated last days in the Bible does not mean days but age, and the word age is an unspecified length of time which always span many generations. Anyone can disagree its another thing to prove that the other is incorrect. And some people have a bad habit of twisting what they hear or read or maybe it is that they see what their minds are only capable of accepting.
     
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    Brilliant
     
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    There is more to Revelation than you are seeing. The fact that you won't study it and how it was understood by the Hebrews of the day is no one elses problem but your own. You say you don't interpret, and then translate "days" into "ages", which is an interpretation.
     
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    How do you know what I see? Do think I say everything that I know?


    How do you know that I don't study it?


    Jesus spoke of two ages....the one that is to come and the one that now is of which was also the one that He was living in as well.....the last days or age. The last days or age is the end of man's Satan inspired system (that is why it’s called the last days) and the one to come will be a new and a far far better system unlike anything that man has ever seen that will dominate the Earth and at the end of this age God will make all things new and past will no longer be remembered.....nothing of the past will remain on the Earth but will be consumed by fire and surface of the Earth will look nothing like it does now.....no sea, no animals or trees that have come to know.

    Revelation 21:1-4 (ASV)
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more.
    2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven of God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God:
    4 and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away.

    This age and the new age

    Matthew 12:32 (KJV)
    32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    world
    Greek Word: αἰών
    Transliteration: aiōn
    Phonetic Pronunciation:ahee-ohn'
    Root: from the same as <G104>
    Cross Reference: TDNT - 1:197,31
    Part of Speech: n m
    Vine's Words: Age, Course, Eternal, World



    from the same as <G104> (aei); properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future) :- age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare <G5550> (chronos).

    &#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary


    Age
    Usage Number: A-1
    Part Of Speech: Noun
    Strong's Number: <G165>
    Original Word: &#945;&#7984;&#8061;&#957;, ai&#333;n
    Usage Notes: "an age, era" (to be connected with aei, "ever," rather than with a&#333;, "to breathe"), signifies a period of indefinite duration, or time viewed in relation to what takes place in the period. The force attaching to the word is not so much that of the actual length of a period, but that of a period marked by spiritual or moral characteristics. This is illustrated in the use of the adjective [see Note (1) below] in the phrase "life eternal," in John 17:3, in respect of the increasing knowledge of God.
    The phrases containing this word should not be rendered literally, but consistently with its sense of indefinite duration. Thus eis ton ai&#333;na does not mean "unto the age" but "for ever" (see, e.g., Heb. 5:6). The Greeks contrasted that which came to an end with that which was expressed by this phrase, which shows that they conceived of it as expressing interminable duration.
    Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.


    2 Timothy 3:1-5 (KJV)
    1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    Days
    Greek Word: &#7969;&#956;&#8051;&#961;&#945;
    Transliteration: h&#275;mera
    Phonetic Pronunciation:hay-mer'-ah
    Root: from (with <G5610> implied) of a derivative of hemai (to sit, akin to the base of <G1476>) meaning tame, i.e. gentle
    Cross Reference: TDNT - 2:943,309
    Part of Speech: n f
    Vine's Words: Age, Day, Judgment


    feminine (with <G5610> (hora) implied) of a derivative of hemai (to sit; akin to the base of <G1476> (hedraios)) meaning tame, i.e. gentle; day, i.e. (literal) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole twenty-four hours (but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes); figurative a period (always defined more or less clearly by the context) :- age, + alway, (mid-) day (by day, [-ly]), + for ever, judgment, (day) time, while, years
    &#8212; Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary


    All the above is talking about the same thing......the last days or age of which the length is undefined.
     
  10. Iolo

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    Why doesnt God just show himself?

    He's spending all His time trying to translate teabag prayers into English. '"Good God", says God, "I'll have my work cut out!"'
     
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    Why doesnt god just show himself?

    Most Catholics and Southern Baptists think he looks like this

    Barry Gibb.jpg
     

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