Why doesnt god just show himself?

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  1. BFSmith@764

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    Well considering those who knew Jesus personally there word is far more credible than you since you were not there. And Jesus was not just another person He is God in the flesh. And besides, what does not matter to you what I believe? The choice is not yours whether you like it or not? Live with it and move on.
     
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    Can you name any characters who were actually there? WHy do you think that any of those characters actually existed? Just because you see a guy dressed up as Santa Claus it doesn't mean that Santa Claus actually exists. All you have to go on are stories written by unknown people. Walk outside and tell a bush to uproot itself.

    Matthew 21:21-22 (CEB) = Jesus responded, “I assure you that if you have faith and don’t doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree. You will even say to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the lake.’ And it will happen. If you have faith, you will receive whatever you pray for.”
     
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    I see no point in continuing this discussing this with you.....it would be like trying to prove to a blind man that the sky is blue.....nuff said.
     
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    And so the circle brings us back to "those who knew Jesus personally," as if you or anyone could verify that anyone did in fact know this character personally. No, you can't, and neither can anyone! Paul at least never even claimed to have known him personally, yet he dominates the New Testament! The 4 gospels don't even have declared authorship! Because you want your belief to be true, you have no appreciable standard of evidence for Jesus or any other of the Bible's claims.

    Was John Frum real? Did the Greeks ever meet Zeus? Did Hercules, son of Zeus, walk the Earth and complete twelve labors?
     
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    LOL. Actually, your beliefs are akin to believing that the sky was blood red over Jerusalem for 30 years with nothing but a collection of self-contradictory texts produced after the alleged fact to testify to it and a notable lack of similar records from any unbiased source in the area at the time.
     
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    You need faith in order to tell a mountain to move and have it obey your command. Maybe you can buy some?
     
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    That's one thing the Christians have worked out by religious logic. They tell us that faith can move a mountain, but that none of us actually has the faith necessary to make it happen. How convenient!
     
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    The color of the sky depends on which planet you're on.

    Did you know that the sky on the moon is so black that you can't even take pictures of the stars?
    http://i.space.com/images/i/8865/original/as15-88-11866.jpg
     
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    Let the Catholics of the world tell it, he looks like Barry Gibb. :sunnysideup:
     
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    The entire premise of most religions is based entirely on convenience and faith. It's "convenient" that God did all the revealing thousands of years ago, convenient that all the metaphysical manifestations of God are no longer around, or can only be deemed a manifestation through sheer imagination. It must all be taken on faith, and not even a faith that has shown you a reason to be faithful in it, since God stopped interacting with our world on a noticeable basis long long ago.

    It's convenient that all the aspects of a belief in God that could verify his existence don't actually exist in our world. Or rather, not anymore. The uneducated vastly under knowledgeable by today's standards people of thousands of years ago got to see real tangible proof, but us, with our abilities to interact and study our world, do not. How convenient.
     
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    and yet even with all our technology today, we can't even recognize that the Japan Tsunami was GOD's doing. so was Katrina and the Bonde Eche in Sri Lanka Tsunami.
     
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    It's hard to recognize that for which there is not even the most minute piece of evidence for.
     
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    God doesn't show himself to you because he thinks you're a punk
     
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    Compare this story to your favorite fairy tale.

    http://dadsprimalscream.wordpress.com/humor/kiss-hanks-ass

    If someone came up to you with a story like that would you go kiss hank's *ss? That's essentially what religious stories are.
     
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    ...

    Me: “So what makes you think He’ll actually give you the money if you’ve never talked to anyone who got the money?”

    Mary: “Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you’ll get a raise, maybe you’ll win a small lotto, maybe you’ll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street.”

    Me: “What’s that got to do with Hank?”

    John: “Hank has certain ‘connections.’”

    ...


    :laughing: Love it!
     
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    It amazes me the narcissistic ego of these young, childish Libs, who think that they deserve an audience with their Divine Creator, just because they whine, cry, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), beg, and plead for one........as if GOD doesn't have more important things to do, then to prove Himself to some weak unbeliever, who probably wouldn't make a difference in life, even if touched by GOD'S HAND or not. Why do they cry so loud?

    If God wants to make Himself known to a spoiled child, then I'm certain, He would if He wanted to.............
     
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    Here I thought you were going to be amazed at these religionists who think they're somehow special and favored by the Creator of the Universe. It's certainly the very height of egoism and vanity!

    Incidentally, if unbelievers aren't important to the Almighty, why did It bother with the whole salvation thing and favoring one tribe over another before that?
     
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    Christ is our LORD who cared about all people on Earth. It shouldn't take a genius to recognize that He wanted an answer for those seeking FORGIVENESS. What Christ created, was a PATH toward forgiveness and RIGHTEOUSNESS, in REPENTANCE. TRUE CHRISTIANS are those who have followed His path since He drew breath on Earth. Many FALSE CHRISTIANS claim themselves followers of CHRIST, but really know nothing of His message and PATH.

    You are confused. You believe that you can avoid CHRIST when talking about GOD and morality. But you just proved that you have no morals, no ethics, and no sense of self worth.

    THINK ABOUT IT! How is it possible to forgive SIN in the first place??????????????? Do you know how our ancient ancestors used to forgive sin? They used blood sacrifices. Barbarians in Americas, even used human sacrifices. Christ REDEEMED all of these people and souls. You obviously have no idea about how important the event of CHRIST is to human history.
     
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    Why do you think God murdered so many completely innocent victims of His wrath? Why should we worship that?
     
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    Here's the silliness of the "intellectual" argument put forth in this thread. If there were a creator, and he would be kind enough to appear to me in person, giving me undeniable knowledge of his existence, then, I would have faith.
     
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    But yet Moses could do it without all this technology. So could Solomon, King James, and all the writers and scholars of old who knew something was out there greater than them and even had the notion to write it all down for future generations to uncover what they were thinking about?
     
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    GOD is just. If we as mankind are not living and doing as HE wishes, then he has the power to wipe us out.

    I would rather worship a GOD that has that kind of power than not.

    I like living life, it's fun man!!!!
     
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    How much fun did the infants and toddlers have in their life that were wiped out in these disasters? Thousands of them.
    Christ thought life was suffering, not fun. It's only fun if you choose not to acknowledge the massive needless suffering in the world.
     
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    He doesn't have to appear in person to each one of us who don't put blind faith in him.

    But, something that you're supposed to have faith in should at least give you something with which to justify that faith. Religion does not do that, not unless you want to fire up your imagination and suspend your belief in facts and reality. For example, I have faith the sun will rise tomorrow because it's risen every day before that. It doesn't mean it definitely will, a rogue asteroid could hit us tonight or the sun could explode(which we wouldn't know for 8 minutes after the fact). But, my faith is grounded in something real, something I don't have to invent entirely in my imagination.

    When you're talking about something as completely fantastical as the theory of God, perhaps THE most fantastical thing that a person could even have faith in, it's extremely confusing to me how many people question my desire to have a foundation to base my faith in it on. I don't have to know with 100% certainty that God exists, but I DO need to see some kind of evidence, something that convinces me that faith is justified. It would be extremely nice if that foundation wasn't expected to be built on stories and traditions which were built on previous stories and traditions, so on and so forth back through the years. Modern faith is built upon the fact that people have had the same faith for thousands of years. It's a "well, they've done it for so long, I guess it must be right" situation.
     
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    Well, if you're a Pro-choicer you don't care what happens to the kids. right?
     

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