Why doesn't socialism work?

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  1. sharik

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    that's what there media campaigns say, but its a mere propaganda, while most of these are useless.
    "protect data" will not cost nearly as much as what the startups personnel get paid by their funds.
    so, that is why it came to the point where no resources' left these days?
    "greatest" - maybe, but working hands that work for pittance is most crucial one.
    i can't put a finger on any particular startup, for in their mass they do it, as other fake projects do.
     
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    those other fakes mentioned being numerous research and eco projects, that is.

    so it isn't only startups fake activity exchanged for hefty sums paid by funds.
     
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    Looks like the so-called "coronavirus pandemic" has blown the OP's position out of the water.

    Socialism to the rescue..........so much for capitalism.
     
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    What a bunch of crap from some one who knows neither resources nor start ups. A start up is usually two to three guys or girls pooling their resources together and splitting their profits if any. Most fail because they are under funded. There are 18 million businesses in this country that we know of 1/3 of them have 4 or fewer employees. Oh and we aren't running out of much of anything. In no small part because a lot of those small business are involved in recycling.
     
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    your citing the legend of startups early days, which is no longer valid, since this got massive and media supported.
     
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    that does not mean that a startup alone is funded heavily, of course, because it is the whole 'startup' thing that gets political support with huge sums of money poured into it.
     
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    sure they do, for there are too many of them, so the support is given only those from the inner circle.
    recycling business - almost zero effect, but subsidised by the state for political ends.
     
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    Trump proved even well funded campaign machines can be beaten by candidates using a small campaign organization with minimal spending and no ads. I doubt that the voters will ever want tax money spent on BS political ads.
    The cheap way to win elections is to offer the voters something they know makes sense and will benefit them directly. The issues Trump ran on had been embraced by the DP just a few years earlier.
    The RP, through most of the last century, has been known as The Stupid Party.
    For some reason DP pols have decided to compete with Republican pols in the Dumb and Dumber Games.
     
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    That claim is false and absurd. WalMart's business plan can't work in Germany because Germans demand quality, and are willing to pay for it.
    Population density in Germany is about seven times the US figure. Obviously the USA uses a lot more gas.
    Again, your claims are just false and absurd:

    "Given this, the average size of a Wohnung (habitation unit, this term embracing houses and apartments) was 91.8 square metres. The average living space per capita was 46.5 square metres."

    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-house-size-in-Germany

    "The average size of a master bedroom was much larger, measuring 14 feet by 16 feet." That's 224ft^2, or 20.8m^2

    https://www.doorwaysmagazine.com/average-bedroom-size/

    So the average dwelling in Germany is 4.5 times as large as the average American master bedroom. Your claims are provably just false and absurd. That is normal, routine, and expected from apologists for greed, privilege and injustice.
     
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    Trump got billions in free advertising from the MSM.
    Then considering what their tax money is already being spent on, they deserve the BS government they have.
    That's what Bernie did. The DNC removed him again because it prefers Trump.
    True.
     
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    Nope. False. It was free because it was not privately owned. Hunter-gatherer communities competed over territory, often violently, but never individuals. Before evil, greedy thieves started appropriating land as their private property a few thousand years ago in order to rob and enslave their fellows, no individual ever killed another over possession of land because individual possession of land was inconceivable.
    You have provided no evidence that he was killed over private possession of a plot of land, nor will you ever be doing so.
    Yes, many wars were fought between kings over land because any land they took was then effectively their private property. It was private ownership of the land that made it not free.
    Garbage. It's still free in areas where it is not privately owned by greedy, thieving parasites.
    Competition between communities over territory is not private ownership by individuals, sorry.
     
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    And still do. China has been using a similar system -- it learned from HK's success; can you? -- with indisputably brilliant economic results.
    Because what you have is not a right, but a privilege you should rightly pay for.
     
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    IMO it would not be easy to find a Canadian, Swede, Korean, Swiss, Dane, German, Finn, Austrian, Japanese, etc. who would describe their country as "socialist."
     
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    Jesus Christ you people are brainwashed. of course it is a democracy it is a representative democracy or a republic. republic is defined as a representative democracy. Poor America...
     
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    Canadian yes as I have explained. Otherwise I disagree. Of course the anglo-american brainwash is strong a lot of places. On the other hand they are socialist. Collective production which means Democratic which means capitalism. Since it is collective or democratic, it is fair capitalism with a good safety net. Except in brainwashed GOP America. The whole thing is irrelevant. The question is do you have health care daycare living wage paid parental leave cheap college and training and taxing the rich their fair share or don't you? Every other rich country does have all that. "We are all socialists now!"--president of Finland when ObamaCare passed. Little did he know the obstruction bologna propaganda GOP...
     
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    history of corruption cronyism incompetence and bubbles and busts...
     
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    All presidential candidates get free coverage on the MSM. Only Democrats get "free advertising".

    Yes, much, probably most, of our tax money is wasted on various government boondoggles or marginally effective programs.

    The DNC removed Bernie because he is not a corrupt DP insider. They also think Biden with a younger establishment female running mate can beat Trump. They are almost certainly wrong about that. Bernie was by far the better candidate. Trump's political style seems to have injured the brains of the crooks that run the DP.
     
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    No, they most certainly do not. Trump got vastly more coverage than any other Republican primary candidate, then got far more than Hillary during the campaign.
    GARBAGE. It's all-Trump-all-the-time on the MSM.
    Probably. Trump's brain-dead economics has caused a financial disaster, but by blaming it on COVID-19, he can paint himself as a "wartime" president for a guaranteed win without even bothering to start a war.
    They were injured before Trump. Trump is just cunning enough to see exactly how to exploit that.
     
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    of course they know that English-speaking people are brain-dead on the subject and it's just asking for a ridiculous futile conversation like this...
     
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    Virtually all the MSM coverage of Trump is negative. Free advertising for his opposition.
    Maybe you really do get what you pay for. ;-)
     
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    Just having your name and face constantly before the audience is a massive advantage in the USA because so few Americans have any political awareness at all.
     
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    Democratic voters aren't ready for a socialist yet end of story. No conspiracy no phony scandals. And Biden is not corrupt. Try innocent until proven guilty or even indicted or even interesting to law enforcement. all you have is propaganda no evidence just innuendo and character assassination, a disgrace.
     
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    Huh? Fox News give Trump free advertising 24/7/365.
    Perhaps, but more than that, they think he can't win. After Trump screws up and kills millions of Americans--and he is rapidly running out of road to get it right--I think even Bernie could beat him.

    Trump has blown containing the coronavirus and a lot of people in New York are going to die, and then we're going to move on to Detroit, New Orleans, and I hope nowhere else. This is the sad answer to what happens if you elect someone like Trump and there is a crisis.

    If Trump comes to his senses and beats down the coronavirus, he might survive. People could be so relieved they overlook the dead. But I wouldn't be so sure about that.

    I know I won't forgive or forget. I won't forget a 24-year-old nurse in New York City who didn't have protective gear say she was filling out her will. She's just beginning life and Trump let her down. We let her down by electing Trump. We can say we didn't know in 2016, but we can't say that now.
    Trump will soon reach the point of no return if he doesn't stop taking half measures.
    You Trumpers don't seem to understand the rest of us.
     
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    Which is why Americans live better than any other people in the world by and large.
     
  25. bringiton

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    :lol: Despite the USA being a highly urbanized country, no US city even cracks the top 30 for quality of life in international comparisons, and five -- count 'em, FIVE -- Canadian cities scored higher than ANY US city:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_Quality_of_Living_Survey#Top_cities_by_region

    The American super-duper uber-rich certainly live well, but ordinary Americans more and more live lives -- and die deaths -- of ugly despair:

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-02-03/epidemic-despair
     
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