Why EVERYONE'S right to free speech is important...

Trump is trying to destroy the new partially fundamentally transformed United States of America left like a cow pie by Obama.

 

"authoritarian Maoist"?? "the broom necessary to clean up"??

That is insanely extreme thinking that diverges from reality so far as to represent the real problem facing us today. It's a shame that you remain oblivious to it.

 

And the majority want Trump stopped because they see through the confusion you just presented.

 

I packaged the language in a way I felt you would be able to consume it in. Nice to know I was right in doing so.

 

Yes, you were clear.... -and clearly wrong.

 

Clearly denial and deflection is more important to you than individual liberty/ freedom of speech/freedom of the press.

 

The right isn't shutting down anyone's Free Speech.
That's the Left and lefties.Like Facebook { helped Obama win in 2012 }
John Brennan and James Clapper and James Comey are free and have been
free to say pretty much any doggone thing they feel like saying.
But there is No Right to have a Security Clearance once one with
a Security Clearance leaves that Agency.
It's a Priviledge,not a right to have a Security Clearance once leaving
an Agency where a Security Clearance is granted.

 

Jones also showed up the agent provacateurs injected into the protests of the WTO, who all wore gov't issue boots. He has been right, sometimes. And wrong sometimes.

MSM would have never revealed the nefarious things that went on with the WTO protests, where someone tried to shut down those protests by using violent, agent provacateurs. Do you think this is a common practice to shut people up? Is it important for you to know that? Jones revealed it, and MSM did not. Just this is enough reason not to censor Jones. IMO. He revealed something MSM would not touch! And it revealed a dangerous truth. And something very nefarious, or it once was to those on the Left. What happened to that common sense Left? And why?

 

Is everybody on the right insane? The President's ability to express opinions is not even remotely anywhere near the issue here.

But screaming out "Fake News" is not criticizing the Media. Pointing out what the fake news is, and rebutting it with real news is.

Lying to the press, not fulfilling his obligation to keep The People he works for informed, bringing out a Press Secretary who has no information and just fills in the blanks with lies. Refusing interviews with anybody other than his own Government Propaganda Network.... All those are

 

We don't need racist liars to guide us.

 

What abuse are you talking about? I'm talking about them reporting facts, and reporting on what Trump says..

I don't think I have ever, personally, used it. But I would use it, not because "it's fair" or because it's not "patented", but rather because somebody really has merits to be called that. Followed immediately by arguments. Trump has no arguments.

I never use "slurs". Which doesn't mean that I never say something that might insult somebody. But, when I do, I justify it. I have arguments to support what I say. Therefore, they cannot be considered "slurs" but just actual depictions.

You say that you, on the other hand, use such phrases because "it's fair" or "because it's not patented" And not because they are justified. That's what I would call a "slur"

"Demonstrating the behavior" implies that you explain what behavior you are talking about, and then show that it's false. So far, when Trump has pointed out some "behavior: by the press, it has turned out to be accurate.

Wrong! Absolutely wrong! Freedom of speech is a human right. You don't vote on human rights. You can't vote on whether or not there is freedom of the press any more than you can vote on whether or not slavery should be made legal.or if children should be forced to work. All these are protected regardless of what "the market" opines.

Every time Obama spoke as President, he spoke as the main representative of the government of the United States. Same goes for Trump.

I find it cute (and naive) that you didn't know that Trump represents the Government every single time he speaks. The words of a President are policy. When Trump says that the press is "the enemy of the people", that means that the official policy of the government is that the press must be treated as the "enemy" And that is unconstitutional and abuse of power. One more (as if there was a lacking) article of impeachment that Trump will need to answer to. Unless Congress or the Supreme Court decides that the Constitution is optional.

At which point your biggest nightmare should be: what will President Pelossi do when she's in power?

 

No! It is not normal. And we should never accept it as normal. Obama told a total of 18 distinct lies in his 8 years in power. All 18 statements are famous because they were not normal. That's how it should be. Trump told 10 times as many distinct lies (most being repeated again and again) in just his first hear. Trump has made it normal.

Nothing further from the truth. It equates to cooperation with The People.

You are still not understanding what being President is. The only importance of the press is that they are an independent body through which the people get information regarding their government. Understand: the President works for the people. The people are not allowed access to classified information. That's it! Everything else belongs to the people And when the Congress is not doing it's job to exercise oversight, the press is the only resource the people have to know what is happening.

No. it does not remain. Lying to the press is an attack on freedom of the press. Denying information that is not classified is an attack to freedom of the press. Inciting thugs in his cult to attack the press is an attack on freedom of the press.... And, as I said to another Trump loyalist, Trump will have to answer to all of that in his impeachment proceedings. Unless the Contress or the Supreme Court decide that the Constitution is optional. At which point you can start ranting, to no avail, about what President Ocasio-Cortez will be doing when she's in power.

 

What do you want to know. I already gave you several ways. I can go on and on, if you want. When Congress doesn't comply with their duty to oversee the executive power (as is the case now), the only way the people have of getting independent information about what their government is doing is through the press. That is curtailed when the President and his press secretary lie. Is that not clear? Want more? The President refusing to answer legitimate questions, and allowing only interviews for the Government Propaganda Network is another way of keeping the people uninformed. which is unconstitutional. The President works for the people. He has no right to keep information from us about his job, unless it's classified. If he does, it curtails freedom of the press.

You fail to understand two things: one is that the President works for the people. It's his job to keep his boss informed. By answering questions directly and truthfully that do not involve classified information. The other thing is that "freedom of the press" does not mean that CNN and MSNBC have freedom to make money. It means the people have a right to know. And if CNN and MSNBC provide information that helps us to exercise our right, then they must be protected.

I'll telll you the same thing I told your colleagues in the Trump Cult. Trump will have to answer to this during his impeachment. Unless Congress or SCOTUS decide that the Constitution is optional. But if they decide that, you can start now complaining about what President Ocasio-Cortez and Vice-President Pelossi will be allowed to get away with when it's their turn. Because, unlike Trump, they will have precedent on their side.

 

So, let me quickly synthesize... You are unwilling to recognize the ploetora of examples where the left leaning media have reported both false, and malicious rumor as fact and you are willing to tolerate that because if suits your political agenda.
Yes, you agree that there are, in fact reserved or otherwise protected slurs that only your team can use.
No, you do not understand that a business can and should be effected by the actual marketplace where their content is constantly being evaluated as a product by the consumers of it. You assert though that this is "freedom" from which no external levers can then be applied to these businesses that would hamper their ability to spew your political agenda. And yet, I've seen you suggest that political speech you don't like can, and should be regulated or otherwise censored. Got it.
And then, you assert that being the representative of government is the same as "being the government", which clearly are different things. Autocrats ARE the government. Which is initially what you wrote. Yes, mr Trump is our president. Yes, he speaks as president. Presidential words are not policy, unless they are transformed by either legislation, executive order, or administrative policy documents. I know, you'd rather it just be by dictation, as you've noted before.

So, when Trump says that our press is currently the "enemy of the people.", I agree with him. They are. They have used their protected status and platforms to actively campaign against this president, not the last one, but the one before that one, etc. Not since probably Johnson have we had a press that was at least somewhat objective. I would assert that the press have been coopted by the desire to become the narrative instead of reporting it. Started with folks idolizing the work of Woodward, et al in the 70s. Since then, the "news" has decided to stop being the news, and started being the editorial function which has now fully morphed into the active propaganda efforts we see today.

You're but hurt is duly noted though. Thankfully, there are still enough of us to derail the very concerted efforts of folks on the left to attempt to bastardize or otherwise blow up what we actually do enjoy as our freedom.

 

why do you keep insisting that i am ‘on the right?’ is it because i am objective?

the president can lie all he wants. they all do. he can point to a telescope and say it’s a toaster. it’s your job as a citizen to discern fact from fiction. unless you are from a different planet, none of what yoi posted constitutes a violation of the 1st amendment.

 

We also don't need people to say things that they just assume either. For that is no better than a racist liar.

Most of what I hear people say today are just horrible assumptions. Treated as fact. In my book those people are as bad, or perhaps worse than a racist liar. For a racist liar knows he is a racist liar, while people who assume the worst, do it in ignorance.

I have never heard Jones act or speak like a racist. I just see a man who sees a conspiracy behind every tree. And sometimes, he has actually seen one, unlike MSM who never looks, unless it has the name trump on it.

 

No. I mean real lies like Trump's "“Former Homeland Security Advisor Jeh Johnson is latest top intelligence official to state there was no grand scheme between Trump & Russia” (she didn't) Or, if you want an Obama lie “American manufacturers are hiring for the first time since 1990.” Difference is that Obama told 18 unique lies in 8 years. While Trump told ten times that within his first 10 months as President. All of Obama's 18 and Trump's.... thousands... are an attack on free press... yes!

 

this needs explaining, please. i dont see how any rational person could come to this conclusion. also it would be helpful if you could point to your posts accusing obama of attacking the free press... appears you’ve been around long enough to have commented on obama.

 

It is quite normal and yes we have to accept it because it is human nature.

Even one lie from Obama proves me correct and your premise wrong. It is normal. And he actually told hundreds of distinct lies.

It does not equate to cooperation with the people because the press is not the people nor do they represent the people.

Lying to the press is simply lying to a small select group of people who also lie and who have an agenda it is not an attack on freedom of the press.

Freedom of the press merely means the press may observe and write about or air whatever is public it does NOT mean that others must cooperate with them. The president is no more obligated to tell them the truth than you or I am.

There will be no impeachment proceedings kiddoe. you do not even have an impeachable offense. and judging from the absolute stupidity she has spouted Ortez is a one term congress person and nothing else.

 

In this case, speech is used to draw attention to injustice and crimes. Niemoeller wanted to stop that.
But unfortunately, speech can be used as a weapon against innocents. That's why free speech is not always good.

 

Examples? Truly I don't have the time, there are so many. Perhaps the supporters of Yaxley-Lennon who think "free speech" should trump the fairness of a criminal trial?
Sorry that was a response to Pycckia

 

Nope! I am willing to recognize when the media (which is not left-leaning, BTW) fabricates a lie. But in order to do that, you (or the President0 needs to say what the hell they are talking about. I have no problem with false information that is not malicious. If it's promptly, it's a mistake. I do have a problem with anything that is fabricated maliciously and have no problem whatsoever acknowledging it. But, again, if it's pointed out. A blanket "fake news" with nothing following is just nonsense.

I don't know or care. I don't use them. I can only respond for my own words or actions. My side is the side of facts. If those happen to favor the right, fine, if they favor the left, same thing....

What "marketplace"? I'm talking about freedom of press. The marketplace makes no difference to me.

That is correct. The National Enquirer deserves as much protection as serious media outlets to report on the government.

No. You have not! Don't make up crap! It should be morally censored by the consumers. But not by the government. Unless it promotes illegal activities. The laws concerning freedom of the press had always been applied fairly and properly. Until now that Trump is seeking to become a Banana Republican Dictator.

What is the difference? The government is no more than it's representatives. When the government makes a decision, it's made by the representatives of the government. As it pertains to this discussion, there is no relevant difference. Trump is the government. And everything the President says is Policy. Therefore, when he says "the press is the enemy of the people" it's policy by the government. Make no mistake about it, it will be taken as such by prosecutors. As I said, if congress or the Supreme Court decide to overlook the Constitutaion... watch out! You have more confidence in the honesty of future Democrats who become President than I do.

 

So you have accepted this as "the new normal". I haven't. A majority of Americans haven't. And we shall see if Congress does its job, or establishes it as such forever.

You ask how I know you're "on the right". Fact is that I know nobody who is not on the right and a Trump apologist who has accepted this "new normal". Nor can I think of any reason why they would..

 

I don't know what posts you're referring to, but I have already explained how lying to the press is an attack on freedom of the press. It's pretty obvious: you lie to the press to deceive the people you serve, thereby undermining the information the people receive from the press. I don't see how any rational person could come to a different conclusion.