Why having less guns makes sense

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by godisnotreal, Feb 5, 2013.

  1. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Right, because comparing the USA to a third world country is totally more reasonable than comparing it to a first-world democracy like Switzerland...

    I find it interesting how many conservatives are always advocating to ban abortion, but then claim that banning guns will be ineffective...
    Preventing murder by minimizing the ease with which it can be committed is more efficient than attempting to "mop up" after the fact.
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    I have nothing to prove, especially since you would gladly become a killer of Americans. Tell me, have you purchased your new DHS targets yet?
    [video=youtube;y3yfroBKaoE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3yfroBKaoE&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
     
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    Because dangerous criminals would go out and find some way to get a gun, or steal it from law enforcement somehow when they are off duty.
    Common ordinary women are not going to go so far out of their way to obtain an abortion. For most of them, it would just be less trouble to give birth than go through all the trouble and risk of finding an illegal underground clinic. I am sure there will be underground clinics, but it will be no different than the proliferation of many drugs.

    Should we legalize pedophilia too? That exists undergrounds. Occasionally the police turn up kiddie dungeons in hidden basements, and organized pornography rings.
    I see abortion is worse than pedophilia. Therefore, even though we cannot entirely get rid of it, we can attack the problem.

    With guns, disarming the common citizens makes them more vulnerable to those few dangerous lone gun men, or corrupt police forces in some bad cities. Whereas banning abortion does not make anyone more vulnerable. Although I suppose NAMBLA supporters would try to argue that banning pedophilia makes children more unsafe because then it is driven underground, and those sickos often kill the victims to try to cover up the crime...
     
  4. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    What if gun control consisted of training in the use and safe maintenance of firearms prior to being issued with a license?
    Maybe the license could also require a number of hours on the range, for practical experience.
    Maybe we could introduce liability insurance for firearms, with fees offset by having a gun safe (or similar tool) to ensure guns won't get stolen.
    Perhaps we could also ensure that private sales have to be carried out in the same way as sales by a licensed dealer, so that licensed dealers aren't being unfairly penalized...

    So criminals would have a harder time stealing firearms, a harder time getting straw purchasers to buy for them, a harder time purchasing privately, and EVERY gun owner would suddenly be able to hit a target... Not an ideal world for a criminal.
    The above suggestions would also minimize the number of accidental shootings because of the training received by gun owners.

    This would be an example of "gun control" that does not include banning. What's your problem with it?

    This discussion probably doesn't belong on this board, but I'd say that neither of us is qualified to make sweeping generalizations regarding the potential mindset of "Common ordinary women". Especially if you're not making any allowances for women who have been victims of rape or incest.

    Luckily, the SCOTUS and most citizens disagree with you.

    As per above, there are other alternatives (other forms of "gun control") than just banning. Why not actually look for a solution, rather than getting defensive and irrational?
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    Since I don't "allegedly carry in public, I guess I don't need licensing. Had my training while you were still a wee one. So......I guess I'm as good as gold :bye:
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    have you purchased you new targets yet? You have stated you will kill if ordered, withour question

    [video=youtube;y3yfroBKaoE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3yfroBKaoE&feature=player_embedded[/video]

    Which one?
     
  7. danielpalos

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    Well regulated militias are routinely exempted from State laws regarding gun control.

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    He might still be alive by being able to better defend himself, potentially.
     
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    Should we only ask chics that have been date raped by someone they know?
     
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    Answer the question.
     
  10. danielpalos

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    Potentially, yes any male can rape a female. It is one reason why I believe women may be better off insisting they need to fornicate us into relationships whenever they find us in between girlfriends in modern times; simply so we won't feel any need to lie for sex.
     
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    Nope and doesn't having a moniker with the word logic in it imply that reasoning is applied? You applied ALL in your critical thinking and I implied that a TOOL wasn't at fault. Think on that a bit and respond to my intent, which was, no matter what the tool, the common element is what is behind the tool. Personally I believe you are going the wrong way.....I do believe more guns in more peoples hands is the answer with less restrictions to boot. I believe in the Law abiding citizens ability to reason and follow the law as is proven daily by states with CCL laws. I am reminded of the dire predictions of the anti gun/more regulations people that if you allow CCL for the average citizen there will be blood in the streets, hmmm quite the opposite has happened.

    Point?



    Easy Peasy, The swiss have years of history to prove their gubberment doesn't want to take their guns through registration or in logical terms they have a gubberment that ENCOURAGES GUN OWNERSHIP, we have the complete opposite from our current gubberment. That is an EPIC fail pardner!

    Nope different point entirely please reread.


    In the US in the current political climate they are.....evidence some of the far lefts desire to do away with the 2A including law professors from major univesities. You'll excuse my paranoia:roll:
     
  12. Spade115

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    so if he gets hit in the face by a flashlight that could knock him unconcious with the first blow or render him dizzy if he did not pass out would him carrying a fire arm possibly of saved him?
     
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    so women should sleep with men even if they are "in between" girlfriends? That to me seems rather stupid because you as a male no longer has to try to improve yourself your getting laid regardless. So if a female is inbetween boyfriends should every male be obligated to sleep with her? Why even have relationships?
     
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    Why do you believe lying to women for sex is any form of "improvement"?
     
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    this is about:
    Why having less guns makes sense ............wtf does rape have to do with it, danny-boy?
     
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    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders
     
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    Firearms have a higher lethality which is why having fewer makes sense
     
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    No but it shows the myth of the serial rapist breaking into the bedroom is NOT what they should be concerned about
     
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    Is preventing 1 rape worth it, 2....120? Draw a line on where a woman should be concerned, how cold of you. Really Is it only about rape?
     
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    More Ad Homs

    Get you nowhere but loserville (is that how you say it over there?)
     
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    You would know if you read some posts above mine.
     
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    So if someone attacks me with a gun or a knife and I am home or my wife is home she should grab a....flashlight or knife since people want to take guns? should she not be able to defend herself with deadly force? (We actually just looked at a cm40 nice pistol)
     
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    The idea is to disable not kill - so yes and it works for the majority of the industrialised nations - you know those people who have a much much lower murder rate than America?
     
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    So let me use this as an example my house was broken into once the person was a neighbor who had a large knife. He was arrested and admited if anyone was in the house he would of killed them. He was out in 6 months and did it again to someone else. Now if I was home and had a weapon and he broke in and I shot him would I not of disabled him permenatly?
     

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