Why having less guns makes sense

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  1. danielpalos

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    Weren't they both at a shooting range, having acquired and possessed their Arms?
     
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    your obsession with wording is quite unconstitutional eh?
     
  3. Logician0311

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    Racism is a disease. It kills. Try to keep it under control.

    What's your obsession with single parents? Have you seen statistics that highlight what percentage of children from single-parent families end up as criminals? If so, would you mind sharing that link?
     
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    I thought I was pretty clear when I referenced the 47% commentary that included disabled vets...
    Would it be clearer if I also referenced the proposed "spending cuts" to the VA?

    I didn't realize your balls were crystal and could be used to read history that hasn't been written yet...
    Interesting that you claim history will say America was wrong to provide the same benefits to it's citizens that were already enjoyed by many of our politicians and the rest of the first world.
    Anyway, this isn't a topic for this forum.

    Of course there is. Is there nothing I should expect in return for my tax dollars?
     
  5. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Wow, way to put a spin on a relatively innocuous document...
    Registration is only discussed in reference to background checks, and banning is only discussed in reference to buyback schemes.

    There is no mention of registration and banning, or any other combination.

    Jump to conclusions much?
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not so. Please respect the Constitution completely. Thanks

     
  7. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Did anyone even mention the Constitution there? Do you even know what you're disagreeing with?
     
  8. misterveritis

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    Based on the wording in the abstract it is difficult to tell the truth.

    For example, was the gun used for the murder the gun kept by the home's occupant? It does not say. Maybe the reason why the homeowner kept the gun was because of the threat of violence from others, including others in the home.
     
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    Earlier I wrote, "Maybe we should give them some of our 15-24 year old black males. It would lower our violent crime rate and increase theirs. Liberals love equality of outcome. This should help."

    Isn't the real racist the one who excuses black on black murder because of the race component?

    It is easy to find. The majority of murders involving one black male between the ages of 15 and 24 murdering another black male between the ages of 15 and 24. Coincidently, for a very long time now the federal government has replaced the black father with a welfare check. When we stop that and insist that each family be a two parent family or no state/federal benefits will flow we are very likely to discover that our murder rate declines.
     
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    Do you get to decide who Obama's supporters are? Awesome.

    All parts of this massive government need to be cut. I would begin with the most corrupt agencies, the EPA for example, and eliminate all of the busybody bureaucrats. I would go to each of the other 50 or so regulatory agencies and reduce their staffs by some small percentage per year until we can close them completely and sell the buildings. We can stop hiring replacements when people retire.

    I also wrote, "You do realize that you are on the wrong side of history, don't you?"

    Wannabe tyrants and busybodies are always on the wrong side of history. I do not understand why anyone would want to encourage the government to be in any greater control. And yet that is your stance.

    I continued, "Is there nothing an individual should do for themselves?"

    You should expect nothing more than a government that fulfills its obligations as enumerated in the US Constitution.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about... Indicating that veterans are getting shafted has nothing to do with 'deciding who Obama's supporters are'.

    Yeah, because a total lack of regulation never caused any problems... like a global financial crisis, for example.

    Funny that people are "busybodies" when they discuss whether or not guns are beneficial in our society, but not when discussing such issues as limiting contraception, illegalizing abortion, and mandating prayer in schools...

    Right, so where's your outrage when the government tells people to keep their opinions to themselves (first ammendment) and using torture to extract information from prisoners (fifth ammendment)?

    The reality is that you're only concerned with what affects YOU, and don't care about the Constitution or America as a nation/society.
     
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    I believe you'll find that poverty is as much a factor as race, if not more... but I understand your viewpoint is based on the fact that addressing economic disparity is so much harder than just being a racist.
     
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    So who called disabled veterans freeloaders? Let's start here.

    I also wrote, "All parts of this massive government need to be cut. I would begin with the most corrupt agencies, the EPA for example, and eliminate all of the busybody bureaucrats. I would go to each of the other 50 or so regulatory agencies and reduce their staffs by some small percentage per year until we can close them completely and sell the buildings. We can stop hiring replacements when people retire."

    For some people there are only two choices, totalitarian control over every facet of our lives or anarchy. You have chosen totalitarian control and then blamed the victims of the control for the catastrophe caused by government control. This shows me that you have the heart of a tyrant.

    It is time to cut some of the snake's heads off this Medusa. It may be too much to ask to cut the head off this monster and start over.

    I also wrote, "I also wrote, "You do realize that you are on the wrong side of history, don't you?"
    Wannabe tyrants and busybodies are always on the wrong side of history. I do not understand why anyone would want to encourage the government to be in any greater control. And yet that is your stance."

    What are the chances of any of your straw men coming to life and becoming law?
    How many millions of busybody bureaucrats do we need to harass us daily? I could do with a whole lot less of them. So could you.

    I continued, "Is there nothing an individual should do for themselves?"
    You should expect nothing more than a government that fulfills its obligations as enumerated in the US Constitution.
    LOL. This is actually funny.

    The last first. You object to causing a terrorist some temporary discomfort in order to get information. How do you feel about the One's Death List? You know, the list he adds Americans to? Discomfort...bad. Murder from the skies...good. Discomforting terrorists is not torture.

    I will need more information on your first amendment cry for help. I assume you refer to the Obama administration denying religious institutions their rights under the first amendment to adhere to their faith. If so I am completely with you. We should repeal Obamacare and fire everyone involved in that sordid law.

    That is why I am not a tyrant. I believe that you can be trusted to decide for you and I want the state to protect my right to decide for me. Rather than being against the Constitution I want to return to a time when the Constitution limited government powers to interfere in our lives.

    Once you slip into the conceit of believing you have the wisdom to decide for anyone but you, to become a collectivist mastermind you have become a tyrant and you must be stopped for the good of the people and the nation. It is not too late to step away from the dark side.
     
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    Earlier I wrote, "Maybe we should give them some of our 15-24 year old black males. It would lower our violent crime rate and increase theirs. Liberals love equality of outcome. This should help."

    Isn't the real racist the one who excuses black on black murder because of the race component?

    It is easy to find. The majority of murders involving one black male between the ages of 15 and 24 murdering another black male between the ages of 15 and 24. Coincidently, for a very long time now the federal government has replaced the black father with a welfare check. When we stop that and insist that each family be a two parent family or no state/federal benefits will flow we are very likely to discover that our murder rate declines.

    Did you notice my solution to gun violence was to reduce poverty? Let me repeat it for your benefit: "...for a very long time now the federal government has replaced the black father with a welfare check. When we stop that and insist that each family be a two parent family or no state/federal benefits will flow we are very likely to discover that our murder rate declines."

    The children of breeding sows are four times more likely to live in poverty (and be involved in crime) than the children in stable two-parent families. A stable family is the best guard against poverty ever devised. So the government needs to butt out and let women find and live with men for the benefit of their children.

    You may need to take something to ease the weight of that chip on your shoulder. It blinds you to simple truths. It also allows you to hide behind the racist label instead of considering the truth.
     
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    What excuse could any civil person in our republic have for not pursuing Happiness, if they can no longer claim to be in (official) poverty?
     
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    moving the goals post. Losers always play the race card......wonder why that is.......
     
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    Once again, even when "addressing poverty" you're making it about race... and your insistance that benefits only be paid to two-parent families would immediately penalize widows/widowers or anyone who chose not to stay in an abusive relationship. Nice.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I don't know, why not ask the guy who's playing the race card? I'm also trying to convince him not to...
     
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    https://www.disabledveterans.org/2012/09/27/romney-defense-cuts-same-as-veterans-health-care/
    I'm embarrassed for you.

    I think there's a LOT of grey area between "totalitarianism and anarchy". But, given that you want to shut down "each of the other 50 or so regulatory agencies... until we can close them completely and sell the buildings", I take it you have sided with total anarchy.

    About the same as a total gun ban coming to life and becoming law.

    I'm not sure what training you've done, but I take it you're unfamiliar with Sere School.
    Whether you acknowledge that prolonged and intense discomfort and/or physical interrogation (eg: waterboarding) is torture is irrelevent to reality.

    That may be the epitome of ignorance. Religious institutions being denied the opportunity to legislate their dogma (at the expense of people with differing religious beliefs) is not a violation of 1st Amendment. Here are some better examples:
    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/letters/2012/07/05/gop-censorship-is-violation-of-first-amendment/
    http://www.alternet.org/newsandview...rested_for_filming_energy_environment_hearing

    Except that you want the state to be powerless to actually affect anything by dissolving their ability to measure and control the entities that might infringe on your life (ie: regulatory agencies).

    But I suppose there is wisdom in the anarchy you advocate? Nice try, Anakin.
     
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    socialists will always demand their neighbor take care of them. Everything is about no Rights.
    I have the Right to be independent. I don't stand around with my hand out begging for tablescraps from my state or your beloved Obama. I had and still have my own insurance, pay all my own bills. I don't need regulating because I am a moral citizen and self actualizing.
    I impose none of my will upon another, and will have none forced upon me.
    If I agree with something, it is because I just happen to agree.
    I think for myself and make decisions based on my needs and wants.
    I don't need police, state representatives, or a governor.
    My neighbors know I am no threat as long as I am left alone...(forcing their will upon me)
    Today's goverment is of no use to me, but rather a hinderence. It demands I take my money and pay for illegals, pedophiles, corrupt LEO, and finance a war I'm not so sure is right.
    It cannot handle it's own budget, but demand I manage mine.
    The people who run it exclude themselves from the very laws they write.
    They create a police force that isolates them from us.
    They all dance to the bankers puppeteering.
    So, what's not to like..........................
    Socialists are trying to seize control so they can call the shots. I would be no better off with them as the new gods of American than I have been with the last 4 presidents.
    Socialist don't believe in Rights. They will demand total obedience to the party by all..........
    Now this current government is trying to backdoor my 2nd A Rights???????????
    beautiful...................****off!
     
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    Dude, if you want to be a survivalist living in a bunker, eating only what you can shoot/grow yourself, and fretting over the liklihood of invaders, you're welcome to do that.
    I am perfectly content living as a productive member of society, getting food from my local grocery store (meeting safety regulations set by the FDA), and not living in fear of a statistical improbability.
     
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    you forgot to add this..."this post brought to you through the courtesy of socialism"
     
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    Did you notice my solution to gun violence was to reduce poverty? Let me repeat it for your benefit: "...for a very long time now the federal government has replaced the black father with a welfare check. When we stop that and insist that each family be a two parent family or no state/federal benefits will flow we are very likely to discover that our murder rate declines."

    The children of breeding sows are four times more likely to live in poverty (and be involved in crime) than the children in stable two-parent families. A stable family is the best guard against poverty ever devised. So the government needs to butt out and let women find and live with men for the benefit of their children.

    You may need to take something to ease the weight of that chip on your shoulder. It blinds you to simple truths. It also allows you to hide behind the racist label instead of considering the truth.

    Like Tigger, You're the only one.
     
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    Earlier I wrote, "So who called disabled veterans freeloaders? Let's start here."
    You should be embarrassed for yourself. Romney was standing for taking care of disabled veterans.

    “Given the needs of our veterans, how in the world, as commander-in-chief, you could stand by as we shrink our military commitment financially is something that I don’t understand, and I will reverse it,” Romney said.​

    Once again, who called disabled veterans freeloaders? You will have to make a better case.
     
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    Romney knew very well that disabled veterans are not paid out of the military budget, he was hoping stupid people wouldn't realize this and would leap on this red herring to attack Obama. Apparently, in your case, the ploy worked.

    He DID, however, refer to those who receive untaxed government payments as freeloaders seeking entitlements. Remember the whole 47% debarcle?
     
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    Wow... You insist that black people are the source of all issues, I indicate that playing the race card is in poor taste, and now I'M the one being racist?!
    Glad to see you're all as coherent as ever...
     

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