Why is blacks attacking whites not racism?

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  1. ThirdTerm

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    There are racist elements in every ethnic group and all racist group should be condemned. It's reported that some white drivers were actually were beaten during the protest. But racist rallies are somewhat tolerated in the US and Britain on free speech grounds, which is a shame. The Home Office is urged to ban all EDL protests in major British cities and American authorities should not authorise similar rallies organised by known extremist groups such as Black Lives Matter and the Ku Klux Klan.

     
  2. reallybigjohnson

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    Because white people don't make excuses for it. If a white person is shot by a cop no one runs around blaming society for it. They figure the guy was posing a threat to the officer. Time and time again the racist troll baitors have consntantly whined about the police while continuing to ignore black on black crime.
     
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    When you're committing the crimes you are the problem. PERIOD. Especially since Blacks have just about everything handed to them on a platter. EVERYONE is tired of the lame excuses which are endless. Blame it on the NRA, Tea Party, White Privilege ( whatever that is ) etc etc etc.
     
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    You're got to be kidding. Then there is that little social lab once named Chicago. The city has a demographic divided roughly into thirds with Whites, Blacks and Hispanics in fairly equal proportions. Black are involved 80% of the time with minimal representation by Whites. Go figure.
     
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    Except that the media almost unanimously misinterprets events, speaks without all the facts, etc and this factually riles people up. So regardless if it should not, or if people have other options or not, the fact is that the media DOES and HAS negatively affected race relations.
     
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    Lets test your comments.
    Would you rather be a victim of violent crime or have your credit card number stolen? Which would you give a longer prison sentence to?
     
  7. ziggyfish

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    Even in this forum, you have one standard for attacking blacks and another standard for attacking whites. Honestly, both comments should have been deleted, however, it clear that moderators also think its ok for people to attack whites.

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    Ok, wait, let's be fair here. Yes, BLM is basically trying to get the government to solve racism with laws. Which won't solve racism, it'll just increase a PC culture where youre racist behind closed doors but, in public, have to watch what you say and do constantly so as not to appear racist. But your beliefs are your beliefs, and it's hard to change that. So if you are racist, you are racist. Increasing a PC numbing factor isn't going to solve racism, it's just going to make people leave race out of discussion when, sometimes, it's very important to bring it up.

    Furthermore, blacks need support because they are at a disadvantage, and were from the start. It's not that they don't want to work, they are working already. The jobs we don't want to do. TSA guards, McDonalds, you name it, they are there. They need help. It's clear. But getting affirmative action isn't going to fix their problem. Because what they lack isn't just cash, it's something entirely different. Blacks in the USA have an extremely different culture and society than whites because of the fact that they were disadvantaged by whites since the nation's founding.

    Let me put it to you this way. We have two guys. One guy does a job, and gets paid 20 dollars a day for it The other guy also does the same job, but receives no pay. They work this job together for about 20 years. Until one day, their boss says, ok, now both of you are required, by law, to receive 20 dollars a day for this job. 20 more years go by. Who is richer? Obviously the guy who got paid from the start.

    Now this is a crude example. Blow this up to a national scale, complete with cultural development, infrastructure, gentrification, and the whole lot. What you get is one group of people severely disadvantaged and ferociously trying to catch up to the other, but has no idea how. Because they have a different mindset. Whites (well, actually, basically anyone who isn't black or Hispanic) were advantaged from the get-go, so they know how to get ahead in society. They didn't have to fight against racism for hundreds of years. So their mindset doesn't involve combatting racism to get a job, they just look to get ahead in society. Blacks on the other hand have less money, and a mindset bent on first combatting racism and then having the qualifications for the same job the white guy is going for. However, chances are, they aren't going to stack up, because the black person has two hurdles to go over and the white guy only has one. So naturally, the black person would think that the only difference between the white guy and him was how much money he had. Theoretically, this is true. But the white guy also has a culture that values education and social mobility. Getting ahead, if you will. When you live in poverty for so long, and start accepting things as normal, it would be very hard to break that mindset. One example is that you rarely see black software developers. It's not because they lack mental capacity. It's not even because they dont have money, even though that's a big part of it. Very rarely do colleges who admit a sizable amount of black students have very many black students major in computer science. Because it's not part of their culture to be a software developer. Now, the issue is that software developers make money, but when your family history has you doing jobs that don't make a lot of money, software development isn't really on your mind. The only job you have ever seen your family do is unskilled labor, chances are, you'll want to do it to. It's no Disney story, where the kid goes, well I dont want to be this just cuz my mom wants me to be, I'm my own person. The chances of you being better at your job because your parents did it too is high, so naturally you'd want to do the same job they did.

    Anyways, the point is, black racism towards whites isn't racism. It's a measure to combat white racism, and to be given a fair chance. The issue is that the way they are fighting for this hasn't and won't work out the way they want it to. The definition of racism is believe that your race is superior to another's. Blacks don't think that they are superior, they just want to have a fair shot. But the way they are going about won't get them what they want.
     
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    OK Mr. T, I give in, you're right.

    Everything is the white man's fault.


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    This is a good point. It used to be a much bigger talking point in the '90s during the Bush and Clinton administrations. The 3 strikes laws may have been the legislative response...too young to confirm.

    Ultimately though, it is a completely different conversation. BLM is about racial injustice administered by an institution that is supposed to be 'equal.' Black on Black crime is not an institutional injustice. It is an interpersonal injustice. The distinction may be subtle but is absolutely material to the conversation. If you deviate, then you are having a separate conversation.

    The pattern I see in this forum is Black person (or BLM empathizer) comments on racial injustice of police. White person responds that Black on Black crime is high (changes subject). Black person responds that White people commit crimes too (continues down the tangent). And now you are completely off track.

    The point of BLM is that police have a history of treating Black people unfairly. If you bring up Black on Black crime, you can but know you are changing the subject. Perhaps many White people think it is hypocritical that outrage would be directed to a cause of fewer deaths. That is not necessarily a terrible opinion. I actually share the opinion. But it still doesn't cripple the BLM argument because they are mutually exclusive phenomenon.
     
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    It is an opinion not a fact and it cannot be verified
     
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    Prove it. I would love to see this and will be willing to debate actual numbers with you.

    Who's rights need protecting?

    "Significant power"? Are you talking about all white people or just one political group in particular?
     
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    Realigned to white society standards? They hate cultural appropriation.
     
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    It shouldn't be called "Stockholm Syndrome", but "Black American Slave Syndrome". Blacks have been voting primarily Democrat even before segregation was being thought about. And people like the racist Woodrow Wilson was elected on the backs of blacks in America.

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    So death, murder, and rape don't cost as much as a Ponzi scheme?
     
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    Blacks control Siberia and all of Russia already?
     
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    And this time it will not take GOP blood to free Blacks from their Democrat Masters, this time it only takes the Orange Wrecking Ball, going deep into the inner-cities and preaching the truth to the enslaved, setting them free. 30% of the Black vote for the GOP destroys any remaining vestige that the Democrat Party is anything other than a band of Government workers and Marxists.

    Dems know this, this is why they are trying to get us to chase the Hispanic vote while they mass import middle easterners and Hispanics so they can replace their black voters.

    The fight is on for “Black Trump Democrats” those that suffer from high crime rates and unemployment in the cities.

    Sweet Chariot

    If a slave heard this song he would know he had to be ready to escape, a band of angels (Republican Abolitionists) are coming to take him to freedom. The Underground Railroad (sweet chariot) is coming south (swing low) to take the slave to the north or freedom (carry me home). This was one of Republican Harriet Tubman’s favorite songs.

    Swing low, sweet chariot,
    Coming for to carry me home,
    Swing low, sweet chariot,
    Coming for to carry me home.

    I looked over Jordan and what did I see
    Coming for to carry me home,
    A band of angels coming after me,
    Coming for to carry me home.

    I you get there before I do,
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    It's time!
     
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    I just figured it out, white collar crimes cause it takes money away from taxes that can be redistributed to the surviving blacks. My life matters, there are a lot of people counting on me to provide their welfare check.
     
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    Let me put it to you this way. You have two groups with 100 people each. In group A, the high school graduation rate is 80%, and in group B the high school graduation rate is 38%. In group A the illegitimacy rate is 29%, and in group B the illegitimacy rate is 75%. Both groups live their entire working lives, and are now entering retirement. Which group is richer ?

    FWIW, the numbers above are a real world comparison for African American inner city Cleveland residents versus White Cleveland suburbanites. They do not vary greatly from any other major metropolitan area in this country.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/education/22dropout.html?_r=0

    While I am not wholly discounting any effect from past wrongs done to the black community, the two above statistics are undeniably the biggest driver of the comparative lack of success of African Americans versus their white counterparts. The two above statistics are not dependent upon the past wrongs that existed almost 3 generations ago in the pre civil rights era in this country, they are instead a reflection of decisions made today. Those two statistics are a reflection of differing cultures, where one of those cultures places a much higher value on education AND two parent families than does the other.
     
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    In case you hadn't noticed, I was only answering the question that was posed to me.
     
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    Let's turn this around: how many druggies would be on the streets if it were not for white collar criminals who import drugs into the cities?
     
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    How are you rationalizing that the drug trade is white collar crime ?
     
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    Whatever it takes to redirect from the topic of violent black crime. Progressives would prefer that the white male bogeyman (who is also a Christian capitalist) be the villain in every story, because the narrative is that blacks are the victims of whites in society.
     
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    What about black officers who treat black people differently? Just curious on your opinion...
     
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    Not of West-Russia yet, but East-Russia is mostly not of European descent.

    "Diversity" (mass-immigration) is only forced upon white territories, which will eventually bring upon the destruction of the white race.
     
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    ALL people of every ethnicity and various circles commit "crimes"; White Americans are not crime free. And a SIGNIFICANT amount of crime is attributable to White Americans.

    People obsessed with the color "Black" and crime... are missing a proper perspective of reality. They have been either indoctrinated or duped into the tunnel vision they reveal within themselves.
     

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