Why Is Germany a Superpower 70 Years After It Was Dust?

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  1. shamrock26

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    The Germans don't have nukes nor are they a superpower. A superpower must be able to project force thruout the world. The Germans have no Navy to speak of and no carriers at all so they have no ability to project power.
     
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    It's called the free market. Or what aspects of it the German government allows to exist.
     
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    :eyepopping::lol::no:

    How did you manage to create 13.000 posts ?

    Making a fool out of yourself every single time ???
     
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    2799 - and I said not I don't take serios people from other nations in this world - even if they are only Americans. :lol: (Nearly a perfect egocentralized angloamerican answer, isn't it?)

    When a friend of mine started to study our own culture he learned a language of the aborigines of the lupang hinirang to get a better view on the own situation.

    http://youtu.be/ourtXdYLsjg
     
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    Germany does not want to be a superpower anymore. That's why it was so successful.
    Anyway, China and India have together almost ten times more inhabitants compared to the US. Even if they keep their military small, they will be more powerful than the US at some point, because they have simply more people who can develop a strong military. It would be better to provide them with a good example how to keep peace, enhance cooperation with neighbours, provide welfare to the people, show them, why the European or American model serves the overall welfare and the benefits of freedom and justice. Double standards and aggressive interventions is not something worth adopting.

    And check "Eurosphere" on wiki. The EU is able to influence the legal framework of more than a hundred states. Maybe more power than a few "nukes" which can only destroy or some expensive and senseless interventions.
     
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    How is Gemany not able to be a superpower if Bavaria is a superpower? We are even developing the first lightspeed BMW - the only question is: with or without blinkers? Most BMW drivers don't need blinkers - but what would Janis say?

    http://youtu.be/HAx9G1I9Waw

    http://youtu.be/JjD4eWEUgMM
     
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    Correct.

    The only superpowers or superinfluential regions are the US and the EU/Eurosphere. Thats actually basic knowledge. I always wonder when US commentators put China, a country 15 times larger populationwise than Germany only surpassed it GDP wise a few years ago. China is an emerging economy and needs another 20 years to catch up to Western standards. India is still mainly a third world country.
     
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    I doubt that China will reach Western living standards within the next 20 years. It will take much longer. They might be quite successful right now, but:
    1) It is often said that China's GDP rises sooo fast, but people often forget, that you cannot compare the economic development of countries with different levels of development stages. If you have 10 apples and your 'production' rises by 10%, you will have 11 apples, if you have 100 apples and it rises by 2%, you will have 102 apples. One apple more.
    2) As long as China is less developed, it can gain a lot by free-riding, copying and so on. But at some point this won't be possible anymore. Still, benefits for the West and China, because more people can develop new techniques.
    3) I think you can only reach a certain point of development while surpressing public opinion. China has a huge corruption problem and you need free media to fight it.
    4) People in the West often assume, that Chinese workers will go on working 60 or more hours. I think that is not going to happen. Salaries are already massively increasing and at some point people want to spend it, they want more time with their families and so on. It was the same situation in the US and Europe during the Industrial Revolution and also later. It should not be forgotten, that Chinese were still starving a few decades ago. So first you will accept the worst working conditions and the longest working hours, just as long as you can feed your family. But this will not last forever.
    5) China's nature became a toxic waste dump. This is connected to rising costs on public health, expensive renaturing projects an so on. This will slow down the economy as well.
    6) I think it is not possible for a single country to develop much further than others. You can only rise in a community. It was also said for a long time, that Japan develops sooo fast, and people are working sooo much and sooo hard, that it will go far ahead. Did not happen.
    7) Give it maybe 50, 60 years, but only if nothing goes wrong, no wars, no revolutions. I think it is not possible to develop much further than for example South Korea and still they are not really on the level of Western Europe or the US.


    Another reason for Germany's fast rise in the last 70 years: Although Germany was carpet bombed, with all its cities by huge percentages destroyed, some of the big ones by up to 90% (Cologne, Dresden, Hamburg, ...), its machines and industry shipped to Russia ('Demontage') and also many scientists 'emmigrated' to Russia and the US, it was one of the most advanced countries before the war and this human capital was not gone after the war (except of the 'transfered' scientists).
     
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    Germany is the euorpean economic power for one reason above all others - it has lots of people.

    It's GDP per capita is below Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands - and barely above France's or Great Britain's.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...many&countryCode=gm&regionCode=eur&rank=28#gm

    But they have over 81,000,000 people. The next most populous EU country is France - and they have 20% less.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...many&countryCode=gm&regionCode=eur&rank=16#gm

    And given France's GDP per capita is not much less then Germany's - if she had as many people her economic power would be about the same.

    Same with Great Britain.


    In the world of world economic powers - size does matter.
     
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    Production... that is all that matters. Germany produces good products, they have always been smart in engineering and highly advanced in technology.

    The only reason they stopped being a superpower is they over extended themselves in their attempt to take over the world. But they are a highly intelligent group and will always be.
     
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    How the German Economy Became a Model

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    It wasn't so long ago that many viewed Germany's economic model as outdated and the country as the "sick man of Europe." These days, however, even the Americans have come to praise parts of it, though they still doubt whether they would be able -- or willing -- to adopt it wholesale.
     

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