Why is Israel richer than the 3rd World?

Don't know I guess. I never heard that said. But it is tough for those being oppressed to rise out of being poor, but not impossible. Perhaps many jews aren't as oppressed as we are led to believe? Just in pockets of the world.

 

They also destroyed the most.
I am saying aggression isn't need to create, it can be used, but isn't needed. But IMO, only aggression, or mostly, is used to destroy.
Perhaps the aggression to create, is motive to use the creation to destroy.

 

Ashkenazi Jews went from making up a disproportionate amount of the elite in Austria, Germany, and Poland in the early 20th century, to making up a disproportionate amount of the elite in the United States in the mid - late 20th century.

Actually, I question how intelligent many of them are, considering seeing a lot of stupidity from many of them, like support for gun control which Nazis used gun control on Holocaust Jews, blaming Poland for the Holocaust when Poland had the most who helped Jews during the Holocaust, or supporting Muslim refugees to flood the West, when Muslims headed into Jewish neighborhoods tend to hate Jews more than everybody else.

However, to me it's clear that the Jew tends to be a very ambitious individual, even if not all are, most are.

Yes, some Jews are also very intelligent.

But, that ambition may come from aggressive energy, that Jews properly assert themselves to get ahead.

 

Maybe some of those jews are the way you see them as unintelligent because you don't know why they actually believe what they do. Maybe you've been given bad information. Or partial information.
Are they more ambitious than a chinese person? A European person? A mexican?
Mexicans seem pretty ambitious, they are willing to work jobs Americans won't in tough labor areas.

 

So, it's just "Bad information" that a good deal of Jews support gun control, Muslim refugees, and blame Poland for the Holocaust.

There's information supporting that Jews are the biggest supporters of gun control in the USA.

There's lots of Jewish Rabbis, and Jewish groups which stand against Trump's anti-Muslim refugee stance.

As for blaming Poland for the Holocaust, that's a bit more complex, but indeed many of the famous people who have done such have been Jews, and I've seen lots of Jews online also blaming Poland for the Holocaust.

 

More that you think those things are bad ideas and can't comprehend why jews would be against those 'supposed' bad ideas.

 

Gun control was historically used to oppress, and mass murder, including Holocaust Jews.
There's really no evidence that gun control lowers murder, in fact judging by gun ownership generally the opposite seems to slightly hold true.

So, why would Jews stand up to gun control, huh?

What's the bad idea is bringing in many Muslims into the West.
Please do tell us the benefits of having them in our countries?Considering they hate Jews the most, it really just seems stupid to support Muslims headed towards Jews.

 

Gun are relatively recents, however the right to bear an arm was mainly an aristocratic distinction.

A quick remember about the history of Jews :
_ They were most of the time never allowed to own som lands, forcing them to settle in cities were a lot of them became traders and so more likely educated (you need to learn to count and knowing to accounting to become a good trader).
_ More interesting, during middle age, activities like changing money or loaning money were considered to lead only to damnation. Because jews were considered to be promissed to damnation too, the activies of changing money or loaning money were reserved to jews. (Some kings tried sometimes even to attract jews because they needed some banking activities for their countries).
_They knew adversity, you reinforce in adversity not easiness.

 

I don't want to get into a gun control debate. I don't care if we as citizens own guns. I hunt and own some.

So I can't comment on gun control to oppress, but I see gun control to limit violent crime. Japan? Doesn't the US have some of the highest violent crime rates? Like murder.

Why do you think they hate jews the most? Maybe it's just the Israel state forced into their back yard they hate the most. And the treatment of Palestinians who've lived in the area for most of the last 2000 yrs old.

Why should be keep muslims out, if in fact they do hate jews. Why not make the jews leave? Why the bias/prejudice? Just playing devils advocate on this one.

 

Lithuania, and Japan have very similar rates of gun ownership, and yet Lithuania's #1 in suicide, and #2 in murder in Europe.

Lithuania has a murder rate higher than the United States too, nearly 3X higher than White America, In fact.

Ethiopia has even slightly lower gun ownership than Japan, and Ethiopia's murder rate is about 2X higher than the United States, and roughly 4X higher than White America.

While, it's true that there's massive income differences here.

Yemen is a poor country with high gun ownership rates, and it's murder rate isn't ridiculous.


I fail to see any correlation between gun ownership rates, and murder.

Using Japan as an example is kind of ridiculous, I'd imagine Japanese Americans also have rock bottom murder rates too.

 

I didn't say I don't understand why Muslims don't like Jews, It's more like I don't understand why Jews want Muslims in the West.

If I had my way, believe me Muslims, and Jews would both get out of my country.

I don't like Jews, but I'll admit they are a pretty good example of success through adversity, so I'll use them in the face of Liberal bozos, none the less.

 

Because gun ownership is absolutely not the prior factor in the murder rate, it's a secondary factor. Richer is a state, the lower are the murder rate. If you make a chart of the country and their GDP per inhabitant, globally the higher is a murder rate, the smaller is the GDP per inhabitant is.

However, USA are a special case, despite having an extremly high GDP/inhabitant they got a much higher murder rate than a lot of way more poor country like Algeria or Italy.

But it's not absolute the theme of this thread. If you want to answer me, please open a new thread. We were talking about "Why Israel is richer than the rest of middle east ?" and guns are absolutely not related to that.

 

Nazis used to eat too, should Jews give up food?

Reductio ad Hitlerum is a logical fallacy.

Poland was the only country in the world where Jewish survivors of the Holocaust were murdered when they tried to return to their stolen homes. It's also the country with the most righteous gentiles. That should teach some people not to make stupid generalizations about large groups of people, like "Jews are rich", "Jews are against gun control", "Jews this and Jews that".

Jews do not - except for the hardcore extreme left wingers - support Muslim immigration. Jews - those who do, of course, because there are those who don't - support the plight of refugees because they are refugees, not because they are Muslims.

What's "aggressive energy"?

Throughout the last two thousand years the many racial and religious discriminatory laws, and the many unexpected and unpredictable bursts of heinous persecution, led the Jews of Europe to value intelligence and knowledge over property. Property was often confiscated. Jews fleeing pogroms couldn't take with them houses, factories, stores, commodities. They could, however, take their own brains. That's why Jewish mothers urge their children to pursue higher education, or profitable professions (money in the banking era is even easier to carry from one place to another than brains). Jews travel light.

 

You've obviously never had a Jewish girlfriend...

 

If its is such a big success, why does it still need foreign aid?


Several things helped Israel develo[p:

1. Firstly, the Jewish immigrants were culturally Western and Western educated . Other places such as Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand etc which had this imported European culture that displaced the native cultures enjoyed similar success. Additionally they retained familial links into the larger economies of Europe and the US which no doubt assisted for trade.

2. The area that is currently Israel had for millennia been wealthy and prosperous and important for trade. It had fallen behind Europe somewhat by WW1 but was still better off than much of the world (drought famine notwithstanding)

3. The incoming Jewish population brought and applied their capital for infrastructure development, particularly agrarian via the kibbutz mechanism of pooling capital. This tendency to create socialist-driven cooperation pools appears to be endemic in Jewish societies and may be significant in the story of Israel's success.

4. Substantial international aid, which it is still enjoying.

 

Everyone lost their property to government authorities in Communist Poland, but leave it to Jews to think that was an act of anti-Semitism. LMFAO

3 out of 4 of the big leaders in Communist Poland following WW2 were Jews being Jakub Berman, Hillary Minc, and Roman Zambrowski.

Considering that up to 6,000 Polish patriots were executed, and up to 500,000 Polish patriots were imprisoned for thought crimes by the Jew Jakub Berman, it's no wonder why Poland was the most angry nation at Jews following WW2.

No one in my family likes Jews, not even the Irish side, who dealt with them in Yonkers.

It seems that mostly just Jews, and hillbillies who never dealt with Jews like them.

Even it seems some of the biggest anti-Semites are in fact Jews like Brother Nathaniel, or Henry Makow.

 

Their is a huge difference between not liking people because some of them act badly and murdering them.

 

So, if another group comes to send you to a slave labor prison where you might die, is it murder to kill them?

 

I'm speaking about the jews who came back from the camps who got murdered. Anyway, it's not linked with topic of this thread. If you want to talk about that, I will be available either by private message or in a new thread.
The question is :
Why is Israel richer than the 3rd world.

I would add about what I already said, the 3d world is vast, so it's really hard to some deep comparison.

I spoke about : why are Israel rich ?
But the question :
Why is 3rd world countries poor ? can be interessant too.
If we consider subsaharian Africa, we can consider their is 2 major problems : corruption and civil war.
If we consider south america countries, we can consider their is 2 major problems : corruption and drug civil war.

If we consider arabic countries and indonesia, I think the problem is either Islam, or at least nowodays Islam. If your first priority is too get a more islamic society, your first priority isn't developpement.

 

That Jewish Communist Salomon Morel certainly had no beef with turning former Nazi concentration camps into Communist concentration camps where he tortured, killed, and imprisoned Poles, and Germans , like he did in the Zgoda Labor Camp, or the Communist labor camp at Jaworzno.

 

I don't know if you realize that all jews didn't sign a permission to Salomon Morel. The one who are responsible for the crimes of Salomon Morel is Salomon Morel and every criminal who helped them to commit his crimes. Do you want to be blamed for every german crime in history ? Because the list is long.

For the last time, if you want to talk about that, open a new thread or send me a private message. I would not answer you anymore in that thread if you continue to be off topic. We have to be a minimum conscencious if we want to keep some clarity in the threads.

 

Only a handful of Poles were convicted for Kielce Pogrom.

The big difference is thousands of Poles were killed by the actions of a Jewish Communist like Salomon Morel, or Jakub Berman, while only dozens of Jews were killed by the actions of a handful of Poles in Kielce.

 

What liberal logic defines the post-colonial world of Latin America? How does liberal logic explain California but not Israel in terms of material wealth? Your premise fails to deliver on your objective.

 

It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative logic. It has to do with economic factors that result in wealth creation. Let's start at the beginning.

Israel was created by it's Declaration of Independence in 1948 based upon UNGA Resolution 181 and it began to unilaterally seize territory in Palestine. This lead to a military conflict between the Palestinian (Israeli) Jews and the Palestinian Arabs supported by Arab nations. In 1949 the conflict ended with the Israel-Jordan Armistice of 1949 that basically froze both sides based upon their military occupation and it established the "Armistice Demarcation Lines" that didn't grant any territory to either the Arabs or the Israeli Jews. The problem was that the Israelis were occupying the vast majority of the territory of Palestine where about 50% was delegated to the Arabs under UNGA 181. Although the Armistice prohibited Israel from acquiring any of the territory it occupied it began to immediately issue title of ownership to Israeli citizens. Additionally roughly 15% of the territory Israel was occupying was owned by Arabs and Israel officially confiscated this land and transferred ownership to Israeli citizens. But wait, that's not all. Between 450,000 and 700,000 Arab residents of the territory that Israel was militarily occupying had fled in fear of the Israelis and because the threat of being caught up in the war without any protection and became refugees that were never allowed to return to their homes. Whatever belonged to them and was left behind was confiscated by the Israelis.

So Israel started out with excessive territory and while none of it belonged to Israel according to the Armistice they acted like it did and basically created a nation by theft. They had the water, farmland, and beginning of the infrastructure without having any rights related to any of it.

Next they had huge financial support from wealthy Jews living around the world including many very wealthy American Jews that never really has any intention of relocating to Israel. They provided huge amounts of capital for investments in Israel giving a huge boost to the new Israeli economy.

Additionally they had significant political influence in the United States that translated into consistently the largest foreign aid from the US consistently for years. Major expenditures for the Israeli military was funded by the US often being paid to Israeli businesses to build the hardware (recently changed to require purchases from the US if I recall correctly).

So the combination of theft of land, theft of the natural resources, huge investments of foreign money, and many tens of billions of dollars in US foreign aid over the years.

Now point out another third world country that has managed all of the above for comparative purposes.

 

The USA is a special case, because it has an African American population that makes up 13% of the USA, but 52% of the murders.