Why isn't Big Tech afraid of a future Republican government regulating them to hell and back?

"The Left always assumed that every time they come to power that the natural order has restored itself never to be disturbed again, when actually they are generally out of power in two years."

You're not wrong about the left's view. They really believe the "arc of history" is on their side so each time they lose, it's a big surprise.

But I think this time it's different. All of the masks are off now. The Social Media oligarchy is never going to allow right leaning voices to have a platform again, at least not on major "commons" like Facebook and Twitter. They even destroyed Parler just to make sure no one could go there. The news media hasn't bothered to pretend that they were delivering news instead of shrill propaganda in years, and the threat and prominent conservatives who won't agree there are five lights will find their book deals cancelled and antifa at their homes to terrify their families. Regular people will be afraid of being doxxed and besides losing their social media, really have to worry about losing their jobs, and the access to credit.

So I'm not sure how there is any version of a GOP #resistence will have any impact when it comes with real consequences that never impacted the previous phony #resist crew.

 

You mean Presidential elections? Yeah the 1960 one,

The Top Five Rigged U.S. Presidential Elections

 

Clearly we have a different take on this, but I urge you to trust the American People. What these folks have done and are trying to do is revolting. Americans are so tolerant and willing to adjust in order to accommodate that we can be misunderstood as pushovers. We aren't. We are just really really nice. The problem for these overreaching clowns is that we all seem to reach our fill at the same time and then push back without warning.

When you even have Angela Merkel pushing back, you've gone too far. As these clowns are still pushing forward, if they didn't so richly deserve what is coming, I'd feel sorry for them, but all I feel is excitement. These are not smart people. They are deranged people with various splinter skills that in our high opportunity society, which they seek to destroy, they have arisen based on their splinter skills, tech in some cases, who the hell knows what Pelosi, Schiff's and Fat Jerry's skills are, I see none, but they have no sense of the middle, no sense of propriety, no sense of the fundamental fairness and goodwill that is inherent in the American People.

Stupidity on Parade:

They want to justify yet more censorship and “canceling,” furthering their assault on the number one principle that makes America America, freedom of speech.

The best way to protest the inauguration is to completely ignore it.

A presidential inauguration is a celebration of democracy. There is nothing to celebrate here.

 

You say "trust the American People," but does that include the left that posts on this forum? I don't recall seeing a single post thinking that this crackdown has gone to far. Certainly the news media is licking it's chops, hoping for more. This isn't 1980 anymore. That America is gone. The crazed left has captured every institution in the country, and they have the power to keep it that way since they educate and entertain the entire country.

Like I said, this time it's different.

 

Yes. You can even trust the True Liberals on the Left. Listen and look carefully, there is some throat clearing going on. You have Merkel, some other EU-crats, Turley, Dershowitz, their number will build. This is way out of bounds.

No. They are much closer to the autocratic techno national socialists. I also sense that they are much younger and have not yet experienced the stunning reversals that accompany overreach. Remember that tech splinter skills can be amazing but they often come at the price of Social Intelligence. Those of us who did not grow up clutching a handheld and staring at a screen, instead, socially interacted with all kinds of different people. Rather than studying screens, we studied faces and we get a lot of valuable information that they seem unaware of. We bring those skills even to online discussions and I think pick up on the sense of the room much more quickly.

Stunning unexpected reversals are important to go through and a great deal of growth results. These big tech guys have never experienced it. I dare say that they may even think that should they lose everything that they could quickly replicate their past success, though in real life that is very unlikely. They lucked into being at the right place, at the right time, with the right splinter skills and are under the mistaken impression that they are brilliant, when actually in several important ways they are rather stupid.

I don't recall any either, but being that this is the tech crowd I don't find that surprising.

Their whole model is controversy, sure, this is working, but who trusts them anymore?

They don't have our intellectual assent, and they don't have the power to control us. Time will tell, and yes, I'm supremely confident in the American People, but, I also understand that much of what I'm confident in hasn't undeniably manifested itself yet. I think it will, and we can touch back then. Take care, Zorro.

 

You don't think that Zuckerberg is faking his opennesss?

 

Yep. Real workout session today.

 

Removing or amending a governmental protection such as Section 230 isn't really regulation.

 

Which is?

 

It is possible he is faking and it is possible he wouldn't mind a set of rules that break the back of his competitors much in the way of ISP's that supported net neutrality regulations that would have driven small-ISP competitors out of broadband.

 

if section 230 was removed, they would have to monitor every post before it was posted and censor posts based on potential legal risk, thus would censor on the side of caution - thus had Trump got his way, we would see censorship like we had never seen before

 

You said that "Trump is the one that wanted companies to do what they are doing right now." What is happening "right now?"

 

There was PROOF?

 

EVERY single post of the 2.7 BILLION active monthly users of Facebook? Surely you can't be serious! They would need MILLIONS of moderators, or else about a year long delay before a post is published, as it awaits moderator approval.

DMCA is for copyright infringements, so I don't see how that is relevant.

 

Well Democrats have also expressed interest in regulating big tech haven't they?

Which vote has been rendered null and void?

 

May I ask why Parler can't simply buy and use their own Servers? As I understand it the "Big Tech" companies are just refusing to give Parler space on their own services and I can't understand under what interpretation of private property law they can be forced to. Could someone please explain that to me?

 

we had a conversation on reddit about a computer issue, we used the link that was popping up in a hidden browser window in our conversations to describe the issue as that 'was' the issue, the spyware company issue a DMCA complaint against reddit, they removed our posts as we were accidentally exposing their secrets no one was supposed to know - trust me, scummy corps abuse the DMCA to silence people, as reddit doesn't want to go to court over every case, nor do most free sites, they just remove the posts as requested

if 230 was removed, the rich would abuse it to silence people too

 

I have been quite dismayed at my compatriots view on this - freedom of expression applies to all, even Zuck.

What really needs to happen is conservatives making their own payment processors, web servers and social media sites.

 

Republicans won't touch big tech because they need big tech. How else would they disseminate fringe conspiracy theories like windmills causing cancer?

 

Why? Conservatives are still posting away on Twitter and FB. Why would conservatives need to set up some little bubble like that? If you're talking about MAGA extremists rather than conservatives, then the obvious answer is there are rules against hate speech and incitement to violence on most if not all sites and if the extremists need to, there's always homes for them in the same parts of the web that ISIS and other terrorists gather...

 

So many mentions of "issue." So what was the issue?

 

Because it is not possible to post perfectly reasonable conservative opinions without getting banned. I don't begrudge social media companies for that, they can platform or deplatform whatever speech they like - they are associations of private citizens.

Even when we try to create a social media site where the standard for moderation is the legal standard for speech, they control the sever hosting. People can and have been cancelled by payment processors even when they host a site themselves.

The solution is not to cry about it or pass detestable legislation, but to build systems of our own - where people of all opinions can speak freely so long as their speech does not directly advocate for imminent lawless action - right left or anywhere in between or without.

 

BS. I've posted many places, including FB and Twitter where perfectly reasonable conservative opinions are posted without being banned. I mean, what's an example of a perfectly reasonable conservative opinion that would get a conservative banned on Twitter?

So, what's the legal standard for speech? Hate speech and incitement to violence isn't covered by free speech. And the First Amendment applies to the government, not to private companies....

'Imminent lawless action'? The storming of the Capitol and the murder of the police officer wasn't imminent. It happened! In the week leading up to it I saw tweets from one of Trump's legal clowns talking about executing Mike Pence. At what point do you think enough is enough?

Also the only crying or whining going on is from the Trump cultists.

 

Well good luck to the piece of crap.

 

The conservative has to be a popular figure. FB and Twitter don't care about nobodies.