Why put the blame on the gun?

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  1. Fenton Lum

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    I'm ok with your denial.
     
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    Oh me too, mass shootings and gun violence are commonplace and just part and parcel of everyday life in america. All the faux hand wringing is silly.
     
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    And what is being proposed by yourself to fix such?
     
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    What? "Fix" it? Who wants it fixed? Have you observed anyone doing anything else but taking advantage of the noise and dysfunctional chaos?
     
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    Then there is no desire on the part of yourself to actually do such?
     
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    Watching american society at this juncture I would liken to say watching an a friend / acquaintance / cowoker / family member deal with emotional and substance abuse / dependence issues. Sometimes all one can do is await the hitting of the bottom. Society is not yet ready to deal with its affliction.
     
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    He is in no position to propose or fix anything.
     
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    No, more liken to you lot being irked at American society is able to effectively deal with criminals on a one on one basis, something Brits have not wanted to allow, citizens empowered to act on their own behalf in self-defense, what you lot call "taking the law into ones own hands"....

    Hence why in England, concealed carry does not exist, or convenient pocket sized handguns, or any effective methods or instruments of legal self defense creating a complete or dependant reliance on a professional police force.

    The U.S. is not like that and this bothers You immensely.
     
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    Certain segments, sure. Like every other society.
     
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    In my society, it hovers around 0.6/100k. Yours?
    You said this before. When challenged, you could not name one war of occupation in which we are currently engaged.

    Seems to be a pattern, this unsupportable nonsense of yours.
     
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    Let me give you some stats on mass shooting back in an era where there were no gun control laws at all. Well, in the 1930's it became illegal to own a machine gun without a federal permit. But outside of that, no gun control laws. These stats, by decade show the number of mass shootings per decade.

    1900's 0
    1910's 2
    1920's 2
    1930's 9
    1940's 8
    1950's 1
    1960's 6

    Now remember that the 1930's and 40's were the Al Capone ganster era. Those are the numbers, stats of mass shootings before the myriad of gun control laws become the fad or common place. Let me continue with the gun control era. Same by decade with the number of mass shootings.

    1970's 13
    1980's 32
    1990's 42
    2000's 28
    2010's still counting. Decade not completed.

    I think the above stats show that something went wrong with our society that has caused the spike in mass shootings. If gun control worked, there should have been a decline once that era begun from the era of no control laws. I think the solution lies with us. We need to delve deep into our society and find the root cause, find out what went wrong with our society that has caused all these mass shootings. Look for the root cause. We won't though. It is far too easy to blame the gun and pass more gun control laws than search for the cause. I don't think we want to know the cause.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990
     
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    Permitted to carry owner pard, your assumptions got out ahead of you.

    Nah, I just think all the faux hand wringing and flag half staffing is pathetic. As if this isn't routine and wasn't widely accepted as how it's gonna be wasn't already settled long ago. Nothing but folks wrestling with their own consciences in public and wondering how their god will view it in the end. Quite a display of insecurity which is the opposite of what some argue packing brings.
     
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    It would be a more straight forward conversation to cover nations where the US does NOT have its military inserted at great detriment to society at home. The fact that any citizen of any nation is too lazy and/or disinterested to know where his military is/was endlessly deployed, and of the impact upon society at home, speaks only to the fact that some cannot stand to know, do not want to know, but do know it is a problem, if even only on some primordial hindbrain level.

    For example, let's take Africa alone:
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    And we have been invested in the destabilization of the middle east for how long now? Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Yemen where we partner with the Wahabist Saudis? Korea? Never came outta Europe?

    Not even you can be THAT daft, you need to perpetuate the national denial of who and what america really is, the truth is too painful, we crave alternative facts in our first season of Reality America.
     
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    Ah. You -can't- support your claim about "wars of occupation". I thought not.
     
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    "Permitted to carry owner pard, your assumptions got out ahead of you."

    Translation please ?
     
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    You are free to be as ignorant as you choose to be my friend and no one can point out anything to you that you are committed to denial on.
     
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    I don't do remedial tutoring. Reread your post and then the response again.
     
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    Thank you for reinforcing my point - you are fully aware of the fact you cannot support your claim.
     
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    You're dodging the africa map and that is what you will do with whatever I post. Your choice. My choice. Denial will not prop your society up indefinitely and the hour is getting late my friend. Watch.
     
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    Mayhap if you spoke proper English, I would not need ask a translation.

    "Permitted to carry owner pard, your assumptions got out ahead of you."
     
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    Yeah, mayhap.
     
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    So you refuse to answer a polite request.
    Not surprised.
    Be well.
     
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    Sure, you too!
     
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    The map of Africa you provided does not include any wars of occupation, and therefore does not support your claim.
    Please support your claim.
     

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