Why the need to prove God does or does not exist.

Because there are always going to be both dumbass athiests who have to run their mouths about religious people and how they are stupid for having those beliefs, and religious people who do the same with anyone who does not share their beliefs.

 

You mean the apostle Paul?

 

You mean the apostle Paul?

 

It isn't only George and Barack. Look around the country at the movers and shakers in this country in politics, industry, the arts, you choose. The number of people from the Ivy League in positions of power and influence in this country is overwhelming. Some of your favorite people have this background that has become a favorite whipping boy for the right wing underclasses. Anti-intellectualism has become very popular, and the right wing is producing political leaders that fit the bill, like Bachmann and Christine O'Donnell and other embarrassments to the party.
People throw stones at these institutions that would never have a prayer of attending them.
Almost all of the people that attend these schools CAN tie their shoes.
The rest wear rather expensive loafers.

 

But that would mean that Christianity is not an Abrahamic religion.
Conundrum.

 

Most of us on here, even the devout Christians, believe those rights extend to women. You are convinced they do not, and that extending rights to women is one of the downfalls of our society.
So what to do about this universality of the idea of rights?
They are, in the end, an agreement among people that have no consistency even among people of the same faith, let alone disparate cultures.

 

To the first question; the bible tells them to spread the word. Fear of death and hell do the rest.

The second question though to me is even easier to answer becomes more difficult only because it comes from the voice of a minority. For thousands of years people could not only believe without hearing even the slightest objection or even a difference of opinion they could punish those who dared not fall in line.

Now that people can reject and even argue against those beliefs the majority plays the victim. Typical.

Religion is a lot like a narcotic.

Narcotic

1. any of a class of substances that blunt the senses, as opium, morphine, belladonna, and alcohol, that in large quantities produce euphoria, stupor, or coma, that when used constantly can cause habituation or addiction, and that are used in medicine to relieve pain, cause sedation, and induce sleep.

2. anything that exercises a soothing or numbing effect or influence

And like a narcotic people behave differently than they would from a more sober, rational state of mind. It’s insulting I’m sure, but when an addiction becomes so far gone, when a person or group of people become a danger to themselves and those around them, it becomes time for an intervention.

We’ve listened to the; “I don’t do it that much” and the “I’ve NEVER tried to get anyone else to do it” and the “I’m not as bad those people” and the “What’s the harm, it makes me feel better” excuses and justifications for thousands of years. It’s not like religion hasn’t been given a chance to prove its positives could ever outweigh its negatives, it has and it failed miserably.

This isn’t a game with two equally opposing forces having a go for the sport of it. This is by far the most important discussion that has ever taken place on this planet and for those who chose to stand on the sidelines and watch or even turn their back there will be no comfort from the guilt if the dark ages of religion come sweeping back around.

The world isn’t fiction and people are suffering as we discuss the reason for the discussion.

It is nothing more than a choice for atheists between what is right and what is easy.

 

But, of course, apart from faith, a God who claims that salvation is by grace and grace alone, is not logically demonstrable.

Grace is the means whereby God implants faith in a human heart.

Human logic will always be limited by the fact that human beings are neither omniscient or omnipresent. If you do not know everything and cannot see everything then error is always a possibility

 

If you are omnicient and omnipotent what possible need is there to be omnipresent?

 

What Omnipresence basically implies is that things cannot be hidden from you. Omnipresence is require for omniscience and vice versa.

 

So you think theres logic in what you just stated? If you are all knowing being everywhere to see everything becomes obsolete. If you already know everything that has ever happened, everything that is happening and everything that will ever happen being there to see it serves no purpose and if God is omnipotent than he doesn't HAVE to be anywhere to acheive anything.

Try again.

 

Setting aside the fallacious notion of "trying to prove God doesn't exist," I try to get the religious to use their sense and reason. I think we would have a better society as a whole with less religion and more reason. For instance, we would have embryonic stem cell research in full swing in the USA right now, which promises wonderful cures and discoveries, and more women would have more control over their own bodies, leading to fewer welfare brats..

 

Not sure that's true. You don't have to be somewhere to know what's happening there. You don't necessarily know something just because you're where it occurred.​

 

Yeah. He might have video!

 

I don't suppose I'll see a response from robini123 on my reply...

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone of the non-existence of anything. It's up to the people making an hypothesis to prove its viability. Not the other way around.

 

I know the atheists are so clever because they tell me so at every opportunity.

Actually the irreligious can be kind of irrational: Look Who's Irrational Now

Not an issue anymore. Haven't you heard?

Only a moron would think that subservience to the abortion industry makes you pro-woman.

1) Planned Parenthood, which receives 100s of millions of taxpayer dollars, lies to women. If you really care about choice you don't lie to the one making the decision.

Planned Parenthood’s use of unscientific and fabricated medical information

2) Just a few of the women chewed up by the abortion industry:

New 911 tape reveals botched abortion at Virginia Planned Parenthood

Authorities: Abortion doctors charged with murder

16-Year-Old Girl Suffered Botched Abortion at Planned Parenthood

DA: West Philadelphia abortion doctor killed 7 babies with scissors

The abortion industry, like many industries, has captured the regulatory apparatus. Legalization means mistreatment of women and a huge expansion of the industry.

For example: Lax state oversight results in widespread violations at Michigan abortion providers, report says

3) The abortion industry represents the greatest assault on women in human history. Tens of millions of unborn baby girls have been killed for the "crime" of being a girl!

Sex-Selection Abortion: A War on Baby Girls

4) Not a few abortions are forced on women.

Pregnant Woman Threatened & Assaulted for Refusing Abortion

Why it's The UnChoice
Most abortions are unwanted or coerced, many forced. Women are dying, too. Human rights abuse misrepresented as "choice."

And many rich people & bigots are eager to pressure working women & women of color into killing off their future.

5) The abortion industry just wants more abortions. They have no problem endangering women's health.

Planned Parenthood pushes California bill to let non-physicians conduct abortions

Seems like you want to kill off the poor and minorities. Isn't that hateful?

 

Allah whom you know as God does not need any verification. He is exists point blank. It is just like the sorry excuse for a slogan, "The US Navy: a global force for good". Good needs no force because it is already present and accounted for. The same applies to peace. Peace exists everywhere and it always present and accounted for. Peace needs none to fight for it. What is needed is for people to realize that peace is here and present, since the beginning. It is a matter of perception.

 

Reminds me of a conversation. I once said to someone that politics is humanity at its worst. The other person asked if war wasn't worse. I said that war is straightforward. You know what your enemy wants to do. He wants to kill you and break your stuff. With politics you have no idea what you enemy wants. I'd rather deal with war.

 

At least I do agree with you about the Navy ad. It is beyond ridiculous. In fact it is counterproductive. We should want the Navy to be feared, not loved.

 

Should it? Now you are getting into the politics of war which seems to contradict what you said in your last post about war and politics. If the Navy is feared it is considered an enemy rather than a friend to people you don't wish to be enemies with. If you are in a war with someone who will be facing your Navy they already percieve you as a threat and fear will be present regardless of your slogan. This gets to the heart of what Swensson was saying about good hearted ideas. In war you always want the people not fighting you to think you are the good guys or your enemies could multiply.

 

The Good need some one or soemthing to defend them from evil or evil wins. The only think absurd about the add is taking it for much more than a PR recruiting tool.

Politics is diplomacy is war. It really is that simple.

 

That would be why you need both. And both are different facets of the same thing.

 

I think sense is subjective. I bet a Christian's views makes sense to them and those whom are like minded.

To me it makes sense that people should be judged by the content of their character and not by how one looks. To others it would make sense that it is fair to judge one based upon looks alone, as the way we look says a lot about us.

Like I said, subjective at best.

 

Sorry, have not been feeling well as of late, so been a few days since I been on the forum.