Why the Right Wing Rejects Science

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BZZZT Wrong on the last two allegations.

    Explain how a conception that results in a Molar pregnancy is a "human life"?

    Explain how aborting a Molar pregnancy is the terminating of a "human life".
     
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    LARC's can reduce the incidence of abortions by 40%.

    Why are you against the providing women with free LARC's?
     
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    Well lets go to the textbooks

    "The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
    [Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]
    "Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
    [Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]
    "The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
    [Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]
    "Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
    [Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]
    "Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
    [O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]
    http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html
    "Recently, Dr. Robert George wrote an article outlining this whole topic in more detail. And if you want to really learn your stuff, pick up his excellent book entitled Embryo (I’m in the middle of reading it right now).
    In his words:
    “That is, in human reproduction, when sperm joins ovum, these two individual cells cease to be, and their union generates a new and distinct organism. This organism is a whole, though in the beginning developmentally immature, member of the human species. Readers need not take our word for this: They can consult any of the standard human-embryology texts, such as Moore and Persaud’s The Developing Human, Larsen’s Human Embryology, Carlson’s Human Embryology & Developmental Biology, and O’Rahilly and Mueller’s Human Embryology & Teratology.” – Dr. Robert George
    “Human embryos, whether they are formed by fertilization (natural or in vitro) or by successful somatic-cell nuclear transfer (SCNT — i.e., cloning), do have the internal resources and active disposition to develop themselves to the mature stage of a human organism, requiring only a suitable environment and nutrition. In fact, scientists distinguish embryos from other cells or clusters of cells precisely by their self-directed, integral functioning — their organismal behavior. Thus, human embryos are what the embryology textbooks say they are, namely, human organisms — living individuals of the human species — at the earliest developmental stage.” – Dr. Robert George
    - See more at: http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/....n2q46hNU.dpuf
    A New, Distinct Human Organism Comes into Being at Fertilization
    It is undisputed that a new, distinct human organism comes into existence during the process of fertilization.[1] Scientific literature states the following:
    • “The fusion of sperm and egg membranes initiates the life of a sexually reproducing organism.”[2]
    • “The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”[3]
    • “Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”[4]
    • “The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.”[5]
    • “Fertilization – the fusion of gametes to produce a new organism – is the culmination of a multitude of intricately regulated cellular processes.”[6]
    The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.”[7] Thus, in the context of human life, a new individual human organism is initiated at the union of ovum and sperm. One textbook similarly explains: Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to produce a single cell – a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.[8]
    Thus, a new human organism is created before the developing embryo implants in the uterus – i.e., before that time at which some people consider a woman “pregnant.”
    [1] See, e.g., Condic, When Does Human Life Begin? A Scientific Perspective (The Westchester Institute for Ethics & the Human Person Oct. 200, http://bdfund.org/wordpress/wpconten...ife_print.pdf; George & Tollefsen, EMBRYO 39 (200.
    [2] Marsden et al., Model systems for membrane fusion, CHEM. SOC. REV. 40(3):1572 (Mar. 2011) (emphasis added).
    [3] Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010) (emphasis added).
    [4] Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012) (emphasis added).
    [5] Coy et al., Roles of the oviduct in mammalian fertilization, REPRODUCTION 144(6):649 (Oct. 1, 2012) (emphasis added).
    [6] Marcello et al., Fertilization, ADV. EXP. BIOL. 757:321 (2013) (emphasis added).
    [7] National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), http://www.merriamwebster.com/medlineplus/fertilization (emphasis added).
     
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    :facepalm:

    Apparently, having a bubble head doesn't mean a brain resides inside.

    People with brains and principles don't consider a European fetus, for instance, any differently than American fetuses. If aborting a baby is wrong here, it's wrong everywhere.

    I understand in your backwards morally relativistic world, it isn't.

    Beyond that, the term "naturally born" found in the Constitution references unique American rights granted to someone born on this soil, and it refers only to qualification for our highest office.

    Duh.
     
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    Call your Congressman and have him submit legislation.
     
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    Huh.

    So is forcing a woman to bear an unwanted husband.

    But some of us have guiding principles that grant alternatives which don't result in killing what is unwanted.
     
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    Congratulations!

    You just disqualified yourself from any further meaningful interaction with me on this topic because you lack the self restraint and integrity to refrain from puerile ad homs!

    Have a nice day!
     
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    It is YOU that wants to eliminate abortions so that would be YOUR task!
     
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    That's funny stuff. And you claim I don't understand the scientific method ??
     
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    You obviously don't understand the scientific method because otherwise you would have falsified the other 4 alternatives to the start of "human life" in order to validate your theist belief as to when it begins.
     
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    The new R health insurance bill would take care of that. The proposal increases the availability of insurance with high deductibles, low premiums, and health savings accounts. The monies in the health savings accounts are available to purchase LARC's. I'm sure you are in favor of that ??
     
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    Conception begins human life. Read the link and my post.
     
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    My hypothesis has been proven and not falsified. The others are not my hypotheses and it is up to those who proposed them to verify with data and observation.
     
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    I am. Are you?
     
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    And ends with a legal abortion
     
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    Thanks for admitting that abortion ends a human life.
     
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    Absolute nonsense!

    An HSA ASSUMES that the woman has the money to save in the first place!

    We are discussing access to FREE LARC's.

    Furthermore TrumpDon'tCare will eliminate 23 million people from coverage and guess what, millions of them will be women.
     
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    Kills it dead. If it doesn't.....get your money back.
     
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    You just regressed into science denial again! :eek:
     
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    You have it reversed. Conservatives are the pro science group and you and your buddies are extreme anti science and its easy to explain. We do not blindly accept the homosexual lifestyle as genetic with no evidence proving that to be true. We do not accept the conspiracy theory of climate change while our leaders say they are open to jailing people that don't agree with them. And we certainly do not accept anyone saying science is settled when it goes against the very concept of science to make that statement. We also acknowledge that a baby in the womb is a baby and the evidence showing science has been able to save babies farther and farther back in the pregnancy window proves that its not a collection of cells even if some of us are not pro life.

    Liberals have proven that their goal is to label everything they agree with a right and try desperatly to shut down any scientific debate on those specific areas they support. This is the religion of the far left and the tactics are far closer to the Salem Witch trials than they are to science.
     
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    The FACT that YOU can't comprehend advocating for women to have the right to their own bodies and their own decisions and fighting against the sleaze who want to take away their rights is all on you....


    It's a simple concept that should be simple to comprehend.
     
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    Once again your rampant ignorance of the scientific method is exposed for all to see!

    It is not possible to "prove" a hypothesis is "correct" under the scientific method!

    http://www.nsta.org/publications/news/story.aspx?id=52402

    You just received an "F-" grade!
     
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    What passes for the "progressive left" these days has embraced crooked Fake Science. Much of it is little more than tribal superstition promoted to enrich a very corrupt political elite.
     

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