Will General Milley face a General Court Martial?

Yes, the JAG conducts the Article 32, but, as I said, there is no "Grand Jury", per se, as they are thought of in civilian jurisprudence.

I don't KNOW what's going to 'happen' with Gen. Milley. But, considering what kind of a pile of sh!t our country has turned into during the last twenty years, maybe Geriatric Joe will give him the Medal of Honor.... At this point, nothing would surprise me anymore.

 

Where did you read/hear that Woodward painted this like Milley is guilty? The last I read on it is that he told his subordinates to "follow the procedure and I'm part of that procedure". I think somebody here framed it that he told his people to go around Trump but that's not what any of the early articles are stating. Or, I haven't seen them.

 

May as well ask if the Sun will rise in the West....

 

Here we are on the first day of autumn, it looks 15 out of 17 of us do not believe that Gen. Milley will face a court martial for his actions and behavior with the Chinese military's high command.

The book describing his conduct is now on sale. We should know in a few weeks whether or not a JAG will be assembled to examine the evidence and recommend a General Court Martial or not.

 

What's fascinating is to observe how big-wig Republicans in both the House and Senate have completely IGNORED the whole "Milley issue"! And, equally fascinating is that Fox News and Newsmax (the Conservative media outlets) have largely ignored Gen. Milley's alleged conduct also.

For two solid weeks, the big, blaring headline, day after day, on Fox News has been about a missing woman named Petito who has been discovered to be dead after roaming around the country with her boyfriend. In a nation of 330,000,000 people, where people die every day, and where people go missing every day, THIS was the big 'headliner', while supremely serious allegations against Gen. Milley were pushed off to the side...?!

I'm still waiting to see how the Biden admn. is going to escape from this "Milley issue"... or will it simply continue to evaporate and disappear...?

"We sincerely hope you have more generals like Milley in your military!"

 

Sigh. An Article 32 Hearing is a gran jury hearing. It is no different than any gran jury hearing conducted in the US.

Well, actually, it may be somewhat different. In Ohio, gran juries are secret; there is no requirement to inform a person a gran jury has been convened to hear evidence against them; you have no right to testify; you have no right to call witnesses on your behalf; and your attorney has no right to be present.

Contrast that with New York, which does allow the subject of a gran jury to give their own testimony; call witnesses on their behalf; and have their attorney be present, even though their attorney is not permitted to cross-examine anyone during the proceedings.

Also, you might want to familiarize yourself with the 5th Amendment, which requires a gran jury, and an Article 32 Hearing is designed to comply with the 5th Amendment's requirement for a gran jury.

Note that while the 5th Amendment exempts the branch services from holding an Article 32 Hearing for crimes committed during war or public danger, all branches have historically convened an Article 32 Hearing, because relevant regulations for each branch service requires it.

For example, Lieutenant Calley allegedly ordered the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War. Pursuant to the 5th Amendment, the Army was not required to convene an Article 32 Hearing, but they did anyway.

 

Well, whether it's a "gran" jury (your "d"- key is sticking), a JAG, or something else, it doesn't look like anything is going to come of this.

Biden-lovers would give Gen. Milley another half-dozen medals for this VERY bizarre behavior, and, for some weird reason Republicans have decided simply to ignore the whole exchange between Gen. Milley and the Chinese military high command.

Bet your last penny on this: if the situation were reversed, you would never, EVER see a Chinese commanding General do what Gen. Milley did, saying what he is alleged to have said!

OK, everybody, now let's all go back to paying even more attention to the lost guy in Florida who may have killed the girl he was riding around the country with....

 

Here ya go, America, sink your teeth once again into something they want you to chew:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gabby-petito-warrant-fbi-brian-laundrie

I wish now I had never started this thread... nobody really gives a sh!t....

 

One last note, which will at least clarify this back-and-forth about a "grand jury" and the UCMJ. This is an excerpt from a post I wrote in a different thread as this whole nauseating 'thing' about what Gen. Milley is alleged to have done started coming to public attention:

The following was written by Attorney Matthew Barry, PLLC: https://mattbarrylaw.com/2020/08/10...Juries,committed the offense/offenses charged. (my emphasis added) :

"In the civilian legal system, a Grand Jury acts as a check on the prosecution's power. Essentially, a Grand Jury has to review a case before it can proceed to a trial. There are no Grand Juries in the military.

Instead of a Grand Jury, the military uses something called a "preliminary hearing." A "neutral" JAG is assigned as the preliminary hearing officer (PHO) and determines whether there is probable cause to believe the accused committed the offense/offenses charged. The PHO also makes a recommendation as how the charges should be disposed of (i.e. General Court-Martial, Special Court-Martial, Summary Court-Martial, dismissed). The prosecutor represents the Government, and an accused and his/her lawyer are present as well. Both sides can present evidence at such a hearing. For a variety of reasons, witnesses are usually not called and statements are used instead."

Now, everybody go back to following the exciting, ongoing story about where the dead woman's boyfriend may be hiding out in the swamp somewhere, or, just go back to sleep....

 

"Gran" is French, as in gran jury or petit jury.

That's "petit" as in "petite" meaning small. "Gran" means "grand" as in "large" and note that in many US States it is "grand jury" and not "gran jury."

The Norman French gave the Celts, Angles and Saxons their justice system upon which English Common Law is based (the Normans are separate and distinct from other French who are of Germanic or Gothic origin -- yes, the French are just Latin-speaking Germans.)

Louisiana still uses the Napoleonic Law Code (because they were settled and governed by the French) instead of English Common Law.

China is not the US and most people are simply thrilled about that, so one can contrast, but not compare, China to the US (you compare similar things but contrast dissimilar things.)

 

I didn't realize that you had momentarily switched over to French....

Whatever... as I said, according to everything I've read, there ain't either a Grand Jury, or a "Gran" Jury in U. S. Military jurisprudence, n'est-ce pas...?

But thanks for letting us know that China is not the same as the U. S. It could really be dangerous for all concerned if another leading military power was managed in such a half-witted, irregular, insubordinate way as OURS evidently is....

 

No he will not be punished for the calls since the white house instructed him to make them. He was weak to allow them to do that but it is what it is. The white house isn't going to admit wrongdoing by throwing Milley under the bus.

 

No he is not and ordering those officers to do ANYTHING was outside the chain of command.

 

General Milley should receive a medal for helping this country avoid a confrontation with China.

 

I'm sure the Chinese military's high command would agree with you....

 

Will General Milley face a General Court Martial?

Yes - when Trump wins in 2024.

 

No , because they are cowards working for a coward

 

How are we going to thwart China's constant efforts to undermine the U.S. without a confrontation? Just curious.

 

Perhaps you need to define confrontation. Did you mean war? If so you should have used that word.

 

I'm sorry about this. My computer is acting up.

 

He and everyone else testified there was no pending confrontation and Milley acted outside the chain of command and his authority and in insubordination of the Commander in Chief. That's a courts martial.

 

I agree... as you can see from the * in the poll result as seen by me, DennisTate



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Will General Milley face a General Court Martial?
This poll will close on Nov 19, 2021 at 11:06 AM.

1. *
   Yes, Gen. Milley will face a General Court Martial.
   3 vote(s)
   10.0%
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   No, Gen. Milley will not face a General Court Martial.
   27 vote(s)
   90.0%

 

Milley won't even have his actions examined by a JAG. My guess is he's just smart enough to get ready to retire fairly soon, while Geriatric Joe is still president.

Unless he's really STOOPID (and I don't think he is), he knows that the **** is going to hit the 'fan blades' -- hard -- caused separately by both Russia and China. Much smarter to slip away soon, while the 'slipping's' good....