Will near death experience accounts transform psychiatry and psychology?

Those who have had a NDE who were for all practical purposes declared clinically dead or in a coma, such as Dr. Alexander and many others when revived have returned to tell of the experiences they had with the world of spirit. It is not just one person but millions across the world for centuries who have basically revealed the same thing about the spirit world when their spirit was temporarily disconnected from their physical body. That's how we learn as all of their stories are congruent.

I can see you have had no training or discourse with Afterlife researchers as I have. That is why it is so difficult for you to grasp the concept of what I am talking about. Until you familiarize yourself more by pertinent study in this area it will be an exercise in futility to try to explain all of this to you since you obviously don't have an open mind and it is already made up on these matters fraught with skepticism.

As to why we have to pass-away first, actually that is a good question. I say "pass-away" because there is truly no 'death.' When a person makes their transition from their physical body they immediately step into their Spiritual Body with which they will live for eternity. The reason things are not just simply laid out in front of you is due to spiritual law that says each person who is incarnate comes into this world and existence to learn their lessons for further spiritual growth. If spirit was to be ever present before you to be actually seen then how would you ever learn what you're supposed to learn and develop faith in that which is unseen. That is the way of spirit and why mankind will never completely understand spirit until they return to spirit which we are already but at the present time have the mantle of a flesh and blood body to be able to function in this dimension and in order to house and protect our spirit that keeps us animated. So, don't feel bad as if you are the only one who is having a difficult time seeing spirit and knowing all about it. Most people in the world have that same desire and concern but then again God did not design that which is spirit to be so easily understood by he who is incarnate for the time being.

 

I think that NDE is caused by active imagination and nothing can be proven otherwise. Your last paragraph is an opinion with no factual proof. (where DO you get all those rules??)

 

Then why would Helen Wambach Ph. D. find that when people are regressed to the moments and hours after their death in a previous lifetime........ that they see the typical NDE account?

Regressed 4000 years...… they see many past lives........ the average time between the death in one lifetime to a rebirth is 52 years........ when they view each death experience they see themselves...… meet with deceased relatives..... meet with a being of light and review their lives........... then go through various realms until they feel ready to plan another lifetime.... and all this from 1965 to about '78 long before Dr. Raymond Moody and Oprah made near death experience account into a common phrase in North American culture.

Ninety percent of past lives viewed were relatively poor.... which is not what people read about or see in movies..... They also incarnated as both male and female and across all racial and ethnic groupings.



http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

 

Mellen Benedict approached the Being of Light like you might your favorite professor..... Mellen bombarded the Being of Light with questions......… got answers to all of them... and was also given five or six patentable inventions related to biology.

Most people are too fearful or freaked out by being outside their bodies to care about helping anybody else...… Most people spend much of their time in the OBE state fighting not to be sent back here......…

Crank..... if you will study this phenomena and get to the place where you are not scared of the Being of Light... you might just be able to bring back a cure for cancer....... (assuming Dr. Devorit Samid and Dr. David Kessler aren't still in positions of authority to stop you from using it to treat people, (Burzynski Movie))!


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research08.html#a16

Scientific Discoveries Resulting from Near-Death Experiences

 

You may continue to believe as you wish but if you were to ask the many doctors and scientists about the reality of NDEs you would receive a remarkable amount of information about this subject.

As to the information, again I have studied for a number of years and have consulted with leading researchers in the fields discussed. I have also had a personal OOBE. But again I can plainly see that these discussions cannot continue with one who is predisposed to be a non-believer so anything that would be said you would continue your questioning with a closed mind rather than one that prefers to learn. Therefore, regretfully this conversation with you is now terminated. I will continue discourse with people who possess an open mind to learning without negation constantly being injected into each sentence.

 

"""" find that when people are regressed to the moments and hours after their death in a previous lifetime........ that they see the typical NDE account?""

How do you know they do? You don't .

 

So anyone wanting proof instead of just accepting your OPINION are close minded...sounds very close minded of you.....

 

In all fairness to TheChairman....anybody can tell though when we have done our research........ and when you haven't..... and whether or not we are truly interested in the topic........... or whether or not we are just having some fun?!

I personally have lower standards than TheChairman has.... and actually am happy even to get sarcastic replies to a topic I begin?!

We all have to start somewhere?!

FoxHastings.... I am convinced that you are my great, great, great, great, great...… grandson from one or more of my probable past lives....(assuming the validity of the Dr. Ian Stevenson and Helen Wambach Ph. D. research).... and I am truly proud of you even if you are not the all time most motivated or open minded student of parapsychology and/or mysticism?!

I think that you are a truly wonderful great... great... grandson...… and I appreciate your humour..... and I am deeply sorry for my failures as your probable grandfather??????!!!!!

 

TheChairman........ I have a challenge for you that I think you might just enjoy........ My theory is that near death experiences and related types of research can even be applied in international relations and can play a significant role in preventing the next major conflict between Israel and her neighbors.



http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ould-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar-2.html
Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?

"On that note...… I, Dennis Tate, wish to issue a challenge to all faculty and staff of The Hebrew University of Jerusalem AND all faculty and staff at The University of Utah....... to come up with a plan to virtually stop all rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel.............. I will come up with my own plan and type it out here.... So this is a pretty serious public challenge..... and you might want to pass this on to anybody who you know associated with those two universities........... (post #16)

All that is necessary to do is convince the leadership of the P. A. that there are one or two or three people in Sderot, Israel........ who are highly valuable to all Muslims....... so that they begin to worry that shrapnel from one of those rockets might hit those one or two or three individuals.... and the rockets will stop!"


.... All of this ties in with the Dr. Ian Stevenson research.....

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html#a03
3. Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons

 

Shows your GLARING ERROR....I couldn't be anyone's SON, grandSON, great great great grandSON.....


Better check that crystal ball

 

The word "know" and "reasonable doubt" are defined differently by all of us........... and the seriousness of the questions that we are asking ourselves play a role in how high our standards are placed.

I read Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s first book about two or three years after beginning to study near death experience accounts rather obsessively.

I knew by then that I had to take another look at the subject of reincarnation and I had to choose basically whether or not the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research was pure coincidence..... which I quickly rule out...… to my own satisfaction.....Then I had to ask the question ..... does the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research tap into the work of darkness/ deception/ The Devil or....... Truth/light/love/ the Ancient of Days the Creator and His Messiah Yeshua -Jesus.

http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

I decided that Helen Wambach Ph. D. was basically lined up with truth..... and I was glad I had came to that conclusion after I read the NDE of Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D.


http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...-teach-same-things-rabbi-nachman-breslov.html

Did Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua teach the same things as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov?


Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, "The Thomas Book, Near Death and a Quest for Another Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus".......





"You do not understand this life,” he said on a later occasion, “so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or (*)(*)(*)(*)ed on the basis of what you do here in this life.”

“So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.”

“Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute” You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.”

The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.”

“Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.” (Bruce MacDonald PhD).

http://www.thomastwin.com/3 A Autobio.html

 

My humble apologies FoxHastings!

And the funny thing…..is that I actually could have been your great, great, great, great…. grandmother……. from one or more of my probable past lives…. but I would rather not think about that….. because all the volunteer guys in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research were totally freaked out when they saw past lives as women.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

For the record…. I am one of the least psychic people that I know although I do find this subject fascinating!

 

Why is it that most accounts of past lives reported by people seem to have them as being great warriors, kings, princesses, famous poets or some such thing. Didn't common dirt farmers qualify to move on to a new life? How many times does Napoleon get to return? And how many new bodies does he get to occupy at the same time?

 

I just checked a few days ago and Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s first book is still there in my basement.

One of the most impressive things about her research was how boring and mundane the vast vast majority of past lives seen really were.

She ran into some people who were part of fairly well known events or who knew famous people as one of their maid's or cooks.... but it was rare to actually find a famous person through past life regression under hypnosis.

 

As I've said before but you apparently do not understand it yet, therefore, I will say it one final time that when encountering that which is spiritual, obtaining proof is difficult if not impossible as that which is physical cannot ever totally understand that which is spiritual. With the spiritual a person has to accept things by faith. Those who have no faith may forever remain in a closed-up world trying to figure it out.

 

Back in 1988 as a "member in good standing" of the Worldwide Church of God……… I was headed toward being one of the "soul sleep" believers who might just be almost impossible to be woken up……..after their cross over to the higher dimensions?!

http://www.near-death.com/ritchie.html#a05c

TheChairman…… even if it turns out that FoxHastings was correct in her skepticism………… and if all those NDE accounts … and your OOBE……..was some sort of product of the human imagination…….. I am so so glad that I have researched hundreds of these accounts because they are so profoundly encouraging!

Last week I asked Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus to pass on an offer to Robin Williams…….. if his spirit - soul has indeed continued….. that I am sure he would be interested in…… if his consciousness indeed is not confined to his fourth dimensional space - time brain?! A few days ago my neighbour who lives less than a kilometer from me also committed suicide due to his extreme health issues. It sure is nice to have some some of answer for these types of questions……..

Post #10…….http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...elligent-androids-how-could-we-test-them.html
If we invent super intelligent androids... how could we test them?

…….also…..
http://angelicview.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/i-had-to-live/
I Had to Live

 

Wow!

I absolutely love this quotation!

It is a bit like the Creator...… owns the studio..... the multiverse.............. and has provided us with the best camera people........... directors (spiritual guides)....... and you and I are somewhat like reality film stars in an epic film series that has great psychological, emotional and spiritual value?!

Every day as I observe our four year old female Golden Lab and our ten month old male Dashund- (*)(*)(*)(*)su mix....... I am continually faced with the question of whether or not our dogs are actually higher level spiritual beings than I am........ because their level of thankfulness, enthusiasm and raw love for us is astonishing?!?!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/animals01.html

Jan Price's Near-Death Experience With Her Pet Dog

 

Finley99....... if you knew that there was a possible way for YOU to come back........would you be interested?


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...-experiences-can-teach-us-about-consciousness
What near-death experiences can teach us about consciousness

 

What do you think about the depth and richness of the NDE of…..

https://www.facebook.com/groups/774299589309877/
My NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE

 

In my experience, people who frequently write things in all caps, have issues with emotional stability, and are not to be trusted.

 

Oh well..... perhaps beginning to hear our Creator a little better drives most of us a little loopy at first.... but then we settle down! I was a mess back during the '90's!

 

All long term relationships begin with fireworks, but end in monotony. I would suspect that your relationship with god is no different. Still doesn't excuse ALL CAPS, lol.

 

Although I have never had an NDE myself I have gotten the impression that for about ten years after their OBE………. near death experiencers tend to view what they experienced in such a way that using anything less than ALL CAPITAL LETTERS…. would be almost an insult to whoever/ whatever it was that they met with?!

Here is another astonishing NDE from England:

http://community.humanityhealing.ne...y-positivity-princesses-near-death-experience

 

Not saying there is nothing beyond death, but near death is not death. Could be they are just pronouncing us dead a little hastily and aren't waiting for the brain waves to stop. I've witnessed a few deaths and know they usually don't call for a monitor.

 

True……… but something unusual about these NDE accounts is that the experiencers seem to come back….. more intelligent……. more wise……. when the more logical thing to happen to them during a brush with death…. would be for them to come back closer to vegetable mentality?!

https://apps.facebook.com/forumforpages/347674598652896/8999d971-b3e9-429e-902a-53756602d375/0

http://www.thomastwin.com/3 A Autobio.html