Will String theory eliminate God ?

Why don't you invite piltdown and Nebraska man to bring an Archaeoraptor (liaoningensis) to your next out to lunch party?

RevA

 

And as Science is always striving to correct itself, as it corrected Piltdown man as a hoax. Too bad religion cannot stay the same.

 

Your piltdown is a cheap attempt to undermine science. Science is always striving to correct itself and it does, as piltdown and Nebraska man are proof of this.

Too bad religion doesn't strive to correct itself ..of wait, it cant correct itself!

 

Bad world - religion is for example also not able to drive a Mercedes-Benz Zetros 6x6 although it is my catholic dream car.



http://youtu.be/WVaXuGdIegk

 

My first response was: Common sense should tell a person there is no god why bother with string theory? It is only the pathetic sub par person incapable of dealing with life as it is that requires the crutch of a fairy tale to exist. Talk about people who wallow in the low end of the gene pool and you'll find must of them believe in a god of some sort. The believers should take up a collection and go out and buy themselves a life.

 

When I say something about a nonexistent creature then make a comment. Until then proof there is a god. Prove it by having your god tell you what card i have laying on my desk. It can't even do that so you'll save face.

 

This is probably the most asinine post I have ever seen.

 

that's common nonsense

there are no senses that identify a god except the incorporeal concepts of mind.


kind of like you talking to 'god' and then telling people you did; just delusional

 

same "mankind" that created the 'bible' and them gods, dogs, angels and purtty little stories about talking to 'gods'

the garden...... the forest of mother nature........

'law'...... often the universal language of math, but you are writing about the 'law of nature' on the internet....

either way, mankind does the writing in this universe.

Mankind be doing the creating too. Heck, they even created the god that have you believing in one.

that's a good question......

i am not sure when the first publication was officially published

more religious wingnuts lying about god(s) than scientist ever have on this earth.

Heck i find that you have admitted the signs of a schizo

Signs and symptoms
A person diagnosed with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations (most reported are hearing voices), delusions (often bizarre or persecutory in nature), ........and disorganized thinking and speech



when was the last time you talked to god?

or better yet, when was the last time he talked to you?

 

good bump, dude

 

That's only because you don't speak German like a Mercedes-Benz Zetros 6x6. This car understands every idiot.

http://youtu.be/JAm2UHwZIyw

 

how to forgive.... but not how to walk on water.

consciousness is the gift......

Genesis 3:22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --



in that, we are capable.


ie.... from instinctive life to conscious life................ all from mother nature (god itself)

dont have to read anything from me to comprehend that. Try the bible and the (per se) quote from jesus....

Mark 10:17 And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'


18 And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19 the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'




basically six simple rules for even the idiots to comprehend



john 14;15 `If ye love me, my commands keep,

16 and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
......





20 in that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you;
.....




26 and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.






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29 `And now I have said [it] to you before it come to pass, that when it may come to pass, ye may believe;

30 I will no more talk much with you, for the ruler of this world doth come, and in me he hath nothing;







jesus was not the guy to be awaiting....... he said (per bible) to await


and follow the rules until then


what the hell do you think 'revelation' is for?

 

Religion has no need to be corrected. It is already as correct as it will ever be. In fact, one could say that religion is perfect.

 

God is truth. Truth can not correct itself.

BTW~

Liars and con men only correct themselves when caught in the lie, sometimes they may give up the truth or admit the lie if given an motive to correct the lie. Like when the grant money runs out. Or when the lie becomes so ridiculous that they are no longer believed. Hmmm’ some bygone scientific theory comes to mind….

I will say that science is well intentioned with its scientific method which means that we must accept the current best guess of science to describe reality of the natural world. I will say that science is well intentioned most of the time (but not always), however, the path to hell is paved with good intentions as a great man once said.

FYI intentional trivia;

"A good intention is like the seed of
a tree whose fruit we do not know."

Lloyd Strom
"The road to hell is paved with good
intentions corrupted by our fears."

"God's Will is whatever we
do with good intention."

RevA

 

Does God and his son Jesus exsist.?

Well I guess we'll all find out when we kick the bucket.....Pitty those that have no faith in believing of the allmighty.

If I were one of them, I'd be worried.

Because, just imagin when your ticket is pulled. And then you find out there really is a God.
Your suddenly in a world of crap.

 

You are hung up on that a bit eh? I do not make the connection. God gave us Neplesh. A soul or a spiritual body that made us similar to God in some ways, including suddenly becoming self conscious! My belief is that creatures evolved by evolution like some human like species into a near human then we were made fully human by being bestowed a Neplesh

How do you know that? Even science is not sure where self conscience comes from and how it works! I think the soul is the self conscious part of us. Have you ever read anything about duality?

What do you think repent means?

Christians are to follow the ten commandants. Do you know how many laws we had to follow before that? over 600! Do you know that we had to be saved back then only by obeying the 600 laws? Today there are ten. And if we slip up we can be saved by grace, that means by asking forgiveness and repenting. There is a lot more to repenting than the average Joe thinks. Its not an popular subject in bible study or as a sermon, but it should be! It would explain why a Christian cant premeditate a murder then ask forgiveness! Grace and repentance does not work that way!

and follow the rules until then what the hell do you think 'revelation' is for?

That depends what you mean by Revelation. The book of (Johns) Revelation or Revelation or biblical revelation. The scripture you are studying referencing does not concern biblical revelation at least not in any sense I know of. I was taught that definition of biblical revelation means that evidence for Gods existence is revealed by nature etc. hence revelation. Or a web site defines it like this; In religion and theology, revelation is the revealing or disclosing, through active or passive communication with a supernatural or a divine entity(s).

The book of Revelation is the book where events of prophesy etc are revealed by Johns the Apostles visions while a prisoner of Rome on the remote desert penal colony of Patmos, an island in the Aegean Sea. John was 92 years old, when he wrote the Book of Revelation.

So if you clarify your question I will answer it if I haven’t yet. Please be precise and as brief as possible. I know I know I am never brief ha ha. But please it will help me understand where you are going with this.

RevA

 

More of us than we expect I would wager~

RevA

 

So you say you believe in a god just to save your behind in the event it's real? If it's real it would see through that and toss your behind out as well. I would think the line on the way to hell among the faithful would be just as long if not longer. But we really don't need to worry now do we?

 

the OP asks will string theory eliminate God?

The short answer is no. Quantum gravity, M-theory, and the various other string theories (there isn't just one) all are elegant mathematically derived concepts with as yet no known method of experimentation and observation.

OTOH, I beleive the quest to understand the origin of the universe, the four forces, matter, particle physics etc. is the primary purpose of intellect. IOW We seek to attain what we perceive to be the powers of god and should the time arrive when we are masters of energy, space and time we become "god" - omnipotent if not omniscient.

As for the causality argument as proof of God, I subscribe to Hawkings conclusion.
Since "cause" requires a linear timeline, and since before the BigBang time, energy and space did not exist, there can be no first cause as we understand it.

 

hung on what? Each and everyone can forgive others. Does that bug you?

god made many childish with ignorance too.

I can call that soul of the ignorant 'stupidish' and does it make it fact?

how about 'coherance' of memories makes a life conscious of itself and experiences?

nothing neplesh about it. As that concept is just a couple thousand years old and not evolved with todays knowledge.

perhaps because i have studied the brain for a few decades and combined that with the physics of how energy (light) works, rather than read from a bible and national geographic. ie.... i have been trying to share to you, this aint a practice run but you are too self-centered to read what i keep slapping you in the face with; the truth

i am watching a bunch of dual personality kind of schizo's on this forum.

heck one even believes god talks to him. I have been witnessing wingnuts on this site for months.

You in fact, try and tell me god gave mankind a neplish (soul) based on nothing but literature from religious interpretations and not a clue on how neurons exchange energy at the synaptic connections.

when you put your head between your knees and kiss your butt goodbye, we will both see 'repentance'

then stop lying to others and continue to false witness

otherwise, my claim rings true; The best example of an anti-christ is often found by observing a christian.

lots of manmade stuff

heck the bible is manmade

the commands are manmade

as far as i can see, nothing will save you

ie... you are in direct contact with what your whole belief system is awaiting and cant see your hand in front of your face (stone cold blind)

jesus pointed out 6 (per bible).....

ie... homage is for the ignorant

telling the idiots what will happen

and about some arrogant pric who is coming.....

with a name upon the head

what YOU are supposed to be awaiting and is right now slapping you in the face



ie.... NATURE DOES reveal, ya goof

and honest soul is what is divine

and you are reading the unveiling at each of these posts.

like i said, when you realize who you have been arguing with, you are going to sheet your pants

the majority of the revelations are from old test (ezek, daniel, etc... and then redefined) I know the book, thoroughly....

Rev 22: 4 and they shall see His face, and His name [is] upon their foreheads


what name?

jesus was not the guy to be awaiting....... he said (per bible) to await
and follow the rules until then,........ what the hell do you think 'revelation' is for?


you tried to answer it but failed at realizing, that the idiot you are seeking is the idiot you should be listening to versus arguing with.


r u having fun yet.

 

hung on what? Each and everyone can forgive others. Does that bug you?

god made many childish with ignorance too.

I can call that soul of the ignorant 'stupidish' and does it make it fact?

how about 'coherance' of memories makes a life conscious of itself and experiences?

nothing neplesh about it. As that concept is just a couple thousand years old and not evolved with todays knowledge.

perhaps because i have studied the brain for a few decades and combined that with the physics of how energy (light) works, rather than read from a bible and national geographic. ie.... i have been trying to share to you, this aint a practice run but you are too self-centered to read what i keep slapping you in the face with; the truth

i am watching a bunch of dual personality kind of schizo's on this forum.

heck one even believes god talks to him. I have been witnessing wingnuts on this site for months.

You in fact, try and tell me god gave mankind a neplish (soul) based on nothing but literature from religious interpretations and not a clue on how neurons exchange energy at the synaptic connections.

when you put your head between your knees and kiss your butt goodbye, we will both see 'repentance'

then stop lying to others and continue to false witness

otherwise, my claim rings true; The best example of an anti-christ is often found by observing a christian.

lots of manmade stuff

heck the bible is manmade

the commands are manmade

as far as i can see, nothing will save you

ie... you are in direct contact with what your whole belief system is awaiting and cant see your hand in front of your face (stone cold blind)

jesus pointed out 6 (per bible).....

ie... homage is for the ignorant

telling the idiots what will happen

and about some arrogant pric who is coming.....

with a name upon the head

what YOU are supposed to be awaiting and is right now slapping you in the face



ie.... NATURE DOES reveal, ya goof

and honest soul is what is divine

and you are reading the unveiling at each of these posts.

like i said, when you realize who you have been arguing with, you are going to sheet your pants

the majority of the revelations are from old test (ezek, daniel, etc... and then redefined) I know the book, thoroughly....

Rev 22: 4 and they shall see His face, and His name [is] upon their foreheads


what name?

jesus was not the guy to be awaiting....... he said (per bible) to await
and follow the rules until then,........ what the hell do you think 'revelation' is for?


you tried to answer it but failed at realizing, that the idiot you are seeking is the idiot you should be listening to versus arguing with.


r u having fun yet.

 

With all due respect there is only string theory with different versions . Quantum gravity ain’t string theory my friend, it’s a offshoot of quantum field theory. M theory (the M is for Membrane theory as I pointed out in the OP), Mem-Brane (membrane theory) is the latest version of string theory.

Again, with all due respect, and I am not nit picking, hopefully only helping us stay on the same page. The four forces do not include particle phyics. They are;

1. Gravity - This force acts between all mass in the universe and it has infinite range.

2. Electromagnetic - This acts between electrically charged particles. Electricity, magnetism, and light are all produced by this force and it also has infinite range.

3. The Strong Force - This force binds neutrons and protons together in the cores of atoms and is a short range force.

4. Weak Force - This causes Beta decay (the conversion of a neutron to a proton, an electron and an antineutrino) and various particles (the "strange" ones) are formed by strong interactions but decay via weak interactions (that's what's strange about "strangeness"). Like the strong force, the weak force is also short range.

When the discussion gets to science and mixed subjects it's best to be a bit more critical of the terms and definitions used IMO.

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I have often wondered what use is evolutionary bestowed intellect and conscious (if in fact intelligence and being self conscious is evolved). Hey I feel a thread coming on!

Anyway~ I think that it's possible that we could evolve out of our own skins and become almost infinitely intelligent and powerful without the need for a temporal or corporal body! How to design a species that is aggressive enough to survive but not so aggressive he eventually commits MADD mutual suicide when his weaponry becomes sufficiently advanced. Maybe that is part of Gods experiment and why we are here to begin with! Anyway I digress~ And its a good evidence against atheism as well! If an advanced race have already become omnipotent if not omniscient visited earth around the time when Lucy and her friends were just emerging they could very well be what we call God. If they have the attributes that is in the bible I see no heresy or blasphemy in saying that! Although I am overly sure my church fathers and even some traditional Christians here on this site would highly disagree with me!

I disagree with Hawking’s conclusions because they are challenged by other scientists that have empirical evidences to buttress their theories of the classical standard big bang model which requires that the universe began to exist at some point in history rather than being 'cyclic via (purely theoretical i.e. no empirical or observational evidence ) quantum gravity' as Hawking suggests.

However I enjoyed your dissenting opinion and hope to debate with you in the future or...Now! Ha ha

RevA

 

With all due respect. There are five kinds of superstring theories, M-theory is an attempt to collapse all of these theories into a single theory.


With quantum gravity the theoretical "graviton" is a zero mass particle with two units of spin interacting a zero distance. Unfortunately the mathematics make no sense in describing nature. In string theory, strings interact over a finite distance, thus making the calculations make sense.

I certainly did not claim particle physics to be part of the four forces.

Quite.

Seems to me that an omnipotent and omniscient "creator" bestowing intellect and consciousness on humanity for the pupose of glorifying his name and obeying his "directives" to win a ticket to either eternal bliss or eternal dam-nation is an awfully decadent, cruel, selfish and hateful exercise. But whose to say the creator isn't all of those things, eh?

Common theme in sci-fi. Speculation on the ultimate end of evolution.

Well, he suggests a great deal more than "quantum gravity". It is true that he postulates that M theory is the path to the elusive "holy" grail of physics and mankind "Theory of Everything". elegant mathematics, far out ideas, and as you state completely theoretical.

I still beleive out of time and space there is no existence therefore no "place" for a creator.

 

You tell a lie long enough, the lie becomes a truth.

For millenniums, man didn’t how the universe, formed, etc. So we made up god(s) to explain how the universe was made.

For millenniums, man thought we were above animals. We are intelligent rational beings (or so we think), animals are not, so we simple CANNOT be related to animals. So we made up god(s) to explain how we got here.

All these god(s) were simple lies because humans NEED explanations. Pure and simple. WE have those now. We have perfectly acceptable natural explanations for the Universe, humans, etc. Sure, these explanations may change, but as stated before, that is simply the human understand changing.

Time to drop the lies of god(s). Time for the human race to grow up.

 

cool post