Will String theory eliminate God ?

The above statement of yours indicates that you are speaking of a singularity regarding 'time and matter' to be 'matter of fact'. Though in your following statements you verify that the 'singularity' is only a 'theory'. Theories have not been proven, and yet you accept those theories in such degree that you feel, presume, think it is OK to speak of those things as though they have already been proven as indicated in the emphasized text above. Do you believe that the singularity with regard to time and matter to have been proven?

 

The ignorance of the scientific method (whether wilful or not) demonstrated in these few words speaks volumes to the paucity of the argument offered.

 

What argument was offered...? Your statement constructed from ignorance of the subject matter?

 

Yet the KCA can't even be formed into a hypothesis, yet you believe that, seemingly without question.

So if there is evidence and we can test it, then it's less likely to be true than if there is no evidence and we can't test it?

That is the KCA for you. Utter nonsense.

 

Please show where I have ever mentioned the KCA. You can't because I have not mentioned it. You are way out in left field.

 

A couple of things.

First a singularity or black hole is not a theory, they are observed phenomena.

Second, the questions of what happens at event horizon, how and why hawkings radiation occurs, and what happens within the singularity itself, cannot obviously be observed. Yet by using einstien, quantum gravity/ supersymmetry/superstring theories, we can describe the physics of the various kinds of black holes in a fashion that conforms mathematically to other observed phenomena.

We can speak of these things with certitude because of mathematics. Should a new form of mathematics be invented (as was the case with superstring) that would supercede our existing understanding, the worst that would happen is that our understanding of the workings of the universe would be advanced.

 

Really????

Oh... I'm getting you confused with another poster.

 

Have you ever visited a 'black hole'? No? Then how do you know that 'time and matter' exist in a singularity? YOU don't know? Then all you have is a THEORY. Can you prove that time and matter exist in a singularity (black hole)? No? Then all you have is a THEORY.

Oh! I get it now. Hawkings has visited a singularity (black hole) and he knows from experience what happens at the event horizon and what happens inside that event horizon. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. Oh, it is also good to know about the dependence upon mathematics since Einstein also had a negative remark to make about mathematics.

We can speak of these things with certitude because of mathematics. Should a new form of mathematics be invented (as was the case with superstring) that would supercede our existing understanding, the worst that would happen is that our understanding of the workings of the universe would be advanced.[/QUOTE]

 

You really should not engage in a discussion of religion when it is clear you lack the knowledge to do so. But thank you for acknowledging that science should not be discussed in religious forums.

Gee, I guess my degree in computer electronics means nothing, nor the mathematics involved in obtaining such a degree. Nice to know your opinion.

 

Ok, I just saw this on Jonsas post.

Have you ever visited a black hole? Are you even serious for asking such an insane question?

Its utterly amazing the bull a theist will spew about science, but yet they believe in a book written when man was still sleeping on dirt floors.

People, put this poster on your ignore list. There is no debate when this poster asks insanly stupid questions like this.

 

Can you even be serious for asking such a question? Remember, it is YOU who posted as a signature line, your confidence in the Invisible Pink Panda. Can Jonsa be so serious as to declare the things he declared without having PROOF of his claim.

It is utterly amazing that one such as you would post a ridicule when it is a known fact that your god is an Invisible Pink Panda. You even advise others to place me on their ignore list when it is evident that you do not adhere to that advisement your own self. Such are the actions of a hypocrite.

 

Precious little. Nonsense.

 

I know!!! I know!!!...the answer is 42!!!!

Sorry...couldn't resist.

 

Perhaps you should review the OP before making such a statement.

Would seem that way. It appears you don't know what a theory actually is.
You certainly don't understand that mathematics is the language of the universe.

But I guess if you know all about impedence, that qualifies you to comment on what is one of the most potentially transformative areas of science.

 

Yes, I can be very serious, since these scientific theories FIT the observed phenomena and are supported by other theories. Granted its esoteric, but the mathematical proofs are sufficient to make rather definitive statements about the nature of singularities.

Unlike religion, when a theory is presented, it is put thru rigourous peer review, it's predications are constantly being challenged and when it fails to predict a certain outcome, the theory is modified or discarded. This is what science is all about.

Now as far as religion is concerned, neither logic nor proof is required because it is simply a question of faith.

But science indicates that a creator is not needed for the universe. A creator is not needed for life. or for time or space or energy. A creator is certainly not needed for human beings. Unless of course you have faith and need to believe in life after death either frolicking in heave or burning in hellfire for eternity and that some supernatural entity looks out for your sorry butt.

 

Proving once and for all that mathematics can describe the meaning of life.

 

Oh! Now things can be validated by the use of imagination (theories) of other men/women? Very good... now we know the depth of your intellect and knowledge of science and nature and all the mysteries of the universe.

 

wow.

another great leap of illogic or an incredible ignorant interpretation.

Perhaps you should consider your first sentence in a religious light. Could it be that you validate your existence and purpose based on the imagination (not theories) of other men/women?

 

Not "illogic" (there is no such word); but rather, the use of another form of logic.

My validation is based on my own personal experiences... not on the opinion of other men/women. As I have stated many times in the past... I do not conform to the rules, notions, ideologies of the 501c3 churches... therefore, from the perspective of a "religious light", your assertion shows that you speak from the basis of 'ignorance of the subject matter', the subject matter being me. You don't know me.

 

So you said in my ears now: "One of the dogmas of my religion is it that my religion is the only true religion so it is no religion any longer: it's the truth itselve" - But my religion tells me that god is the logos so my logos is outside of my person what means I'm able to be wrong (and able to learn) - while your logos is only inside and this means you are not able to be wrong "per definitionem". You have maybe only to agree or not to agree with others and if everyone is wrong then you are also wrong. But nothing in this world cares about definitions of human beings. My problem in this context: I fear the irrealisms and ego-centrisms hidden in this form of a[ntichristian]theism is able to produce again a hell on this world - the result could be even the complete destruction of this planet and the death of all life on this planet - maybe even all life in this universe coudl be in danger to die if we are responsible on our planet for the one and only life of the whole universe.

http://youtu.be/lkzspDBfvLc

 

A black hole is loosing energy but nothing moves from a black hole into this universe - if I understood well what Steven Hawking wrote. Particels and their antiparts are producing themselve spontanous out of nothing in a vaccuum and a very short time later they are destroying each other again. This process needs time in our world. In the near of a black hole it can happen that one particle or antiparticle falls into the black hole and so the partner for the destruction is not any longer existing. So suddenly a particle came out of nothing and stays here in this universe. It seems to me this process of creation costs energy what comes from the black hole. This doesn't mean that time is inside a black hole existing. I heard we are not able to say what kinds of natural laws are in a black hole existing - we are not able to get any information about the inside of a black hole (if there is an inside).

http://youtu.be/2hH2JFSGMiM

 

First, hawking radiation occurs at the event horizon. The particle is ejected and the anti-particle travels thru the event horizon. At that point it anhilates a particle. Hence decay. The spontaneous creation of quantum particles is an observed scientific fact.

Second, I agree, information does not escape from a black hole, which means we cannot observe the interior. That does not preclude acquiring knowledge about it thru a scientific process. The foundation of this process is mathematics which define the theories used.

And according to these theories, time does not disappear, it stops. Just like a singularity can be measured as the planck distance. The mathematics used to describe nature (einstien, supersymetry/superstring, quantum mechanics, particle physics etal.) require these variables when attempting to describe black holes.

 

Bear with me here because I am just a slug that works in a fab shop.

But if a black hole is a singularity..a point..it really doesn't have "space' does it? And if it does not have space how can it contain matter? It is just an intense gravitational field. And if time has stopped it really doesn't have time does it? And if it has no time it cannot change or if it has "stopped time" the question arises...what makes time start?

And as far as a particle coming out of nothing...nothing and something have to be the same thing, albeit in different forms.

I really believe the answer is zero.

 

It has space. It is 10 to -35th in length. As near as you can get to ), but still measureable. A black holes gravity is generated by its mass.

There is a significant philisophical and mathematical difference between time not existing and time being stopped. It is impossible for time to stop outside a singularity, according to Einsteins special relativity theory.

Time began in the first femtosecond or so of the Big Bang. Space and Energy were also created about then.

Now as far a spontaneous creation without cause, this is basic quantum mechanics. Its pretty strange stuff to us laymen, but trust me, it happens and has actually been observed. Let's not even go on to the weirdness of quantum entanglement.