Wisconsin appeals court upholds 'right-to-work' law, dealing blow to unions

Unions are not needed when employers are encouraging improvement and offering training and competitive wages.

 

union benefits = labor laws?

Not exactly.

 

Next to Social Security, the Unions have stolen aplenty in "dues". It's about time workers got protections regardless of whether or not they paid to the "union".

 

All workers?

LOL.

Never in my life has a union ever defended me. I have always fought for the terms of my employment that I agree with.

 

Believe it or not, during union negotiations you can negotiate your rights right out the window.

 

Sure.

 

its the law.

go ahead and deny it

 

This is so friggin true.

 

sounds like sour grapes

 

True story: I recently had my best employee resign to take a job in Hawaii. This guy was the best worker in the state month after month for several years. The other employees hated him because they said he was setting the bar too high for the rest of them. When he could no longer take it he looked for another job and found it. He told me that after he interviewed with the hiring manager he was told he was one of three people selected for the position - sounds odd, right? The union then interviewed the 3 candidates and THEY made the decision on which of the three to hire. My guy told me the union didn't ask a single question about the job, they just wanted to know his background in a union environment and told him that no matter what, the union always comes first - always. That falls in line with an interview I did with a guy from Hawaii who wanted to get out from under the union. That guy told me the union ran the company, decided who got promoted and who didn't, and the only people who got hired or moved up the ladder were firm union loyalists.

Now when I go to replace the guy who just quit, on his first day he will meet with the union president (he's just another tech in charge of overseeing the shop stewards) and for 4 hours he'll go over the dos and don'ts of being a union member, what's expected, what he can be fined for, etc. You guys know union members can be fined by the union, didn't ya? Failing to support the union, bad mouthing the union, failing to walk a picket line, crossing a picket line, and other such activities can bring about large fines. How many of you union supporters knew that?

For those of you who are interested, my union contract comes in the form of a book and it's 438 pages long.

 

funny, i have a govt. job and the bosses have the final say on all hires.

 

Where I'm working now is the first ever unionized company I've been with and if a guy passes a drug screen and background check I can pick any person I choose. The only exception is when I have an open position and another union member within the company wants it, then I automatically have to take him. I have no idea what's going on with that company in Hawaii, maybe the hiring manager has a deal with the union and it keeps the peace, or maybe it's written into the contract, I'll never know unless my ex employee calls and tells me.

 

You saying "its the law" doesn't make it true

 

my govt agency has a 2/3 rule.

if the position is open to folks who have taken a civil service exam and there are multiple positions, for every 2 folks taken off the civil service list one can be taken from the general public.

 

it is the law.

do a little research.

folks are allowed to refuse to pay for union non-bargaining costs.

 

Why don't you post the law, not something from Wikipedia. But its a mute point as it has already been proven on this thread that is false.

 

Thanks for linking that, excellent, simple summary of one of the problems, maybe the main one, with public unions of all stripes, not just teachers.

Would that it were the only problem though. Those union PR departments don't stop at pro teacher propaganda, they also propagate an extremely deleterious, divisive "anti voluntary commerce, pro fiat" propaganda based on resentment and identity politics lie narratives that is EXTREMELY harmful to our economy and civil society.

By positing mountains of out of context, cherry-picked charts, graphs, "studies," and narratives on "wealth and income inequality," "failures of capitalism," "CEO pay," "private sector wrongdoing," etc., none of which hold water under contextual scrutiny and in perspective, these organized crime equivalent groups (there's a very good reason for the links between all unions and organized crime, but for another thread) have RETARDED innovation to the tune of 5 years of lifespan equivalent for every American IMO.

Public service work was -never- designed to be a windfall, whereby its beneficiaries could do 1/3 the work of a private sector employee for equivalent pay and far superior benefits. This is the truth behind all their lie narratives on "the poor," and "the 1%." They know full well that they can't effectively soak the rich, who will simply evade and leave abusive tax regimes. They know full well that they are not fighting for "the poor" a hilariously overestimated and dishonestly calculated group in the modern U.S. (the "rich" and "poor," in the U.S., other than outliers on the tails of the curve, reprobates, mentally ill and addicts of the weakest character, are the EXACT SAME PEOPLE, just younger, and earning entry wages, or older and earning more or receiving entrepreneurial payoffs after decades of sacrifice).

They are fighting for THEMSELVES against YOU, when the lipstick comes off the pig, the polish off the turd, to keep that wheel in the video pouring out EXTRA. They have no problem taking more from YOU, the 30% of above average income who pays for it all, for THEM. There are plenty of good people in the Complex who are just weak, they accept and rationalize what is actually going on greased by the aforementioned lie narratives their crook unions tell them. There are also plenty of personality disordered scumbags in the Complex (contrary to Complex propaganda, the private sector efficiently weeds personality disorders OUT for the most part, leaving sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists and borderlines to stew and fester permanently in the Complex, far overpaid in relation to the detriment they cause all of the rest of us) who don't bother rationalizing, but steal with aplomb, or rather they repeat the lie narratives they know full well are lies like a carnival huckster trying to get your money for the ring toss.

The voters more and more are waking up, wondering why the 30% who pay for most everything have to work 30-50% of their lives so that Complex denizens can do less work yet receive more benefits than their private sector peers. Taxpayers are wondering, "why should government cost citizens any more than 10-15% of their working lives? what am I getting for the 30-50% I pay at all levels?" and this explains the populist pro Trump groundswell.

 

1. If a law or bargaining agreement permits it, employees can be forced to pay certain union fees. If you don’t join the union, or resign from membership, and notify the union that you don’t want to pay full dues, the required fee must be limited to the union’s proven costs of collective bargaining activities. This fee may not lawfully include things like political expenses.

http://www.nrtw.org/your-right-to-work-rights-in-three-minutes/

 

Have any of you guys ever sat in on the contract negotiations between a company and a union? I have.

About 10 years ago the company I worked for had their employees unionize and a contract had to be drawn up from scratch and I sat in the back in case certain technical expertise was needed pertaining to job classifications and functions. The first thing the union asked for was automatic payroll deductions from all represented employees, the second thing they asked for was that all craft employees be represented. The company, of course, wanted something in return but the union has nothing to offer, the only things they could give up were things that came from the employees. Right off the bat the score was union +2, company even, employees -2. After a year they were unable to get the members to ratify the contract and the union eventually went away after the employees saw what they were giving up; the ONLY winner in all of that would have bee the union, everyone else had to give up something.

 

**** labor unions.

 

LOL, rarely do labor union members read/care much outside of what they "fight" for in their contracts.

They seem giddy at the prospect of being ******ked by their Union Reps.

 

I guess you don't believe people should have rights in the work place; could it be your jealous because you don't enjoy rights in the work place?? In case you didn't realize it, HR's main function is to justify every decision the managers make regardless of how the employee's feel. You can do the best job then anyone else, but if they decide they no longer need you or your too old and cost too much to retain, your gone and there decision is final..

I highly doubt the union has written rules telling the employees not to be productive; I'd love to see a copy of that memo.

Now if workers don't want to belong to a union in a right-to-work (aka right-to-starve) state, that's fine as long as the union does not have to represent them or cover them in a labor contract. Right now they are nothing more then free loaders taking advantage of getting something for nothing.

 

Yeah, they are nothing more then freeloaders.

 

No, it should be What do you FAIL to understand?? You really have no knowledge of what you are talking about. I think you are just posting for the sake of saying anything regardless of what you really know about the subject which appears at face value to be very little if anything.

 

Why shouldn't workers in the public sector have rights in the workplace?