Wisconsin Voter ID Law Struck Down

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  1. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The green light for Stalin like elections has just been given.... and the Liberals either don't understand this or they just don't care as long as "their guy" is placed into power.
     
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    Which means that our leadership is about to become the most cutthroat, most corrupt, most selfish, of who ever plays "Democrat".

    They think it means America will only get Democrats.

    They do not understand, it means America will only get the WORST Democrats.

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    Great decision. Conservative policies don't work, have never worked and only serve to destroy a civilized society. It isn't a surprise that theywould want to suppress the votes of people who reject their failed policies. A rare victory for democracy.
     
  4. Kurmugeon

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    See what I mean?

    It would be like a teachers union deciding to use in their Branding Adverts only the worst of their members.

    Or a Teamsters Union only putting up ads featuring those members currently in prison for DUI. And only allowing those same to get runs/loads.

    Fraud Driven Elections is not a victory, even if it is your side "Winning". It is a recipe for destroying the Democratic Brand.

    The country will recover after the collapse. The Democratic Party will die.

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  5. Flintc

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    You raise an excellent point, which I must admire because you shoot yourself in the foot doing so. Yes, all of these voters require photo ID for all of these purposes. And since they do all these things, they must have photo ID. So why couldn't they use it to vote? Because the Republicans decided their photo ID, good enough for all these other purposes wasn't good enough for voting! And so these people had to take their existing photo ID down to the courthouse and use it as identification to get new, superfluous, additional voter ID. Since the existing ID is what's used to get the new ID, what is actually gained? Well, what's gained is that most of the voters who don't bother getting unnecessary ID are going to be Democrats. Isn't that amazing how that works?
     
  6. Flintc

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    I don't understand why this is so unfathomably difficult for you. Democrats are LESS LIKELY to have what Republicans carefully deemed to be a "proper" picture - and they decide what was "proper" by maximizing the number of Democrats who didn't have it already. Really, why are you having so much trouble with these concepts? Even children understand them - well, Democrat's children do.
     
  7. Flintc

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    Deliberate lie. Amazing. Republicans attempted to impose one additional step to voter registration which just happened to be mostly required by those who vote Democrat. There was no impersonation fraud, the existing ID is good enough to get the additional ID, so the entire program serves NO PURPOSE other than to place another little barrier between Democrats and the voting booth.

    (And oddly enough, states that purged voter rolls just happened to purge about 20% who were real, present voters. All of these states are run by Republicans. And nearly ALL of those purged "by mistake" happened to be Democrats. Are we surprised, boys and girls?
     
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    Broke you say prove that voter fruad exist first then you might have a case. Which still has not been done. However, there are plenty of Republicans that will claim this is how the GOP will win elections.
     
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    Or so the claim is by democrats that want to use race, again, as a wedge issue. Wonder if democrats will ever get over their history of obsession with race.
     
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    A victory for democracy indeed... "fail policy"... huhm.. you don't say... Reminds me of a city that starts with a "D" and ends with a "T"...

    [​IMG]
     
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    1. not if your clearly old enough
    2. ditto
    3. yes
    4. yes
    5. yes
    6. yes
    7. yes, not necessarily if off the books or just offer cash
    8. underground economy housing - no
    9. no can do that without a license, no and yes
    10. yes
    11. no anyone can get married you didn't say get a marriage license, in fact a Bible Entry or other common law instrument can work
    12. I can buy a gun from a private party right now no ID asked
    13. no you can get a doggy or kitty from any private party and hamsters at pet stores for example need no ID
    14. cash is king, many small hotels don't care if you have ID
    15. yes
    16. yes
    17. I have a Tracphone pay as you go no ID required hell I didn't have to use my name
    18. if your old enough obviously that's a no
    19. only if a narcotic I only get asked my DOB otherwise
    20. you can always protest or rally I picket churches and such promoting Atheism all the time no ID required
    21. yes
    22. not if online
    23. yes
    24. yes
    25. yes
    26. yes
    27. yes
    29. yes
    30. yes
    31. no, many homeless have no ID and illegals they still have to be treated in an emergency
     
  12. BestViewedWithCable

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    Is the government attempting to suppress buying beer because an ID is required to purchase it?
     
  13. BestViewedWithCable

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  14. Flintc

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    In other words, carefully disenfranchising Democratic voters is fine with you. And if the Democrats don't like it, why, just accuse them of being obsessed with race. That makes it all right.

    Will the Republicans ever get over their obsession with cheating?
     
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    Democrats before Civil Rights and after were obsessed with race. Nothing changes.
     
  16. Flintc

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    Now for the rest of the story, which somehow seems to have been omitted. Must be a mistake. Turns out that in the US, ID has ALWAYS been required in order to register and vote. Always. Everywhere. Nobody can vote without registering, and nobody can register without proof of identification. Apparently someone at the UN doesn't understand this.

    Moving right along, nobody has argued, even once, that anyone should ever be permitted to vote without ID. It's fundamental.

    So what's the fuss? What is this Wisconsin judge saying? Well, it turns out that many Republican states (and ONLY Republican states) have legislated that certain voters need EVEN MORE ID than was ever required of them before. Pure coincidence, of course, that most of these voters happen to vote Democrat. Pure coincidence that requiring additional ID solves no problems, since no such problems ever existed. The problem that requiring some people to obtain additional ID was intended to solve, was the problem of too many people voting for Democrats. Can't have that.

    Now, I think a national voting ID isn't a bad idea, and I think making that a photo ID is an excellent idea. What's not such a good idea is decreeing that SOME photo IDs are good enough (like drivers' licence) while other photo ID is not good enough (like student ID card, etc.) What's needed is a uniform ID policy that applies in all states to all eligible voters. Make everyone obtain a specific, government-issued voter photo ID card, make them obtain one every election, make them free, and give everyone ample time to get theirs.

    Got a driver's licence with your picture on it? Great, that's sufficient for you to register and get the official voter ID card. All by itself. So why make people who already have a current valid government-issued photo ID card, go and get another one? Especially since the first is sufficient proof to get the second? Well, because this gives the government the opportunity to weed out all those fake driver licences and fight fraud.

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    Uh, Hoosier8, we're talking here about registering to vote. Nobody but you is talking about race. Why are you obsessed with race?
     
  17. Nunya D.

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    That is not true in regards to photo ID. Some state even allow people to registrar by mail. While the American Vote Act of 2002 mandates States to require ID for newly registered voters, that ID can be "a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter".


    http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx
     
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    You don't catch any, because no one does it, except for two Republicans, and they both got arrested and charged.....

    The reason for the law is to make it harder for poor people to vote, the voter fraud thing is just so they don't appear to be as racist as they actually are....
     
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    I think that when A former Republican Governor and a high ranking GOP official say that the GOP isn't really concerned with voter fraud, they are really interested in laws that will make it harder for minorities to vote, I believe them.
    Because I'm not stupid....
     
  20. Hoosier8

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    Another claim without anything to back it up. Go figure.
     
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    Most definitely....ID laws reduce beer sales....
     
  22. Hoosier8

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    For those that should not be buying beer.
     
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    Because their is a real reason why kids try to buy beer.
    There is no incentive to impersonate another voter, that's why it doesn't happen.
    What do you get for risking a prison sentence? One more vote for your guy? Which in 999,999,999 out of a trillion times doesn't make a difference.
    That's why it doesn't happen.
    And when people try they get caught, the reason so few get caught, is that so very few try....
     
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    ID is no barrier if the ID is free. The whole " but their name might be misspelled" is an utter garbage excuse. If there name is not correct on what documentation why are they not correcting it?
     
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    How come these Republicans that write VOTER ID Laws NEVER write in these new laws correcting the issues with ELECTION fraud? You know, absentee ballots, where the REAL ELECTION fraud ACTUALLY takes place?
     

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