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It wasn't my decision to make. That decision rests with a higher power. I'm merely pointing out that the mother and her unborn baby are both living human beings with an equal right to life. And I base that opinion on my experience and training in medicine.

 

I'm certainly not pro-death.

 

People subject themselves to risks all the time. Ask people who undergo risky surgery, even though there is a chance they will die. They are prepared to take that risk in the hope of having a better life. Same with the woman. She is the most important person there, she should come first, not the fetus. If she dies, she can't have more children, but if she lives, saves herself, she can.

The life of the fetus is not considered as important. If she is in danger, doctors will prefer to save her rather than the fetus, unless she states otherwise. A doctor should never choose the life of the fetus over the life of the woman - if they did, I'd want them fired.

 

But if you can't save both mother and baby, then they cannot have the same equal right to life, can they? One must always be considered more important than the other.

 

There isn't really much in question with the physiology of pregnancy and abortion. It's the abstract moral side that has all the weight. Working in the medical field doesn't make you any more qualified to speak towards the moral side of it than my being an engineer qualifies me to objectively say that one of my designs is "profoundly beautiful".

I think you're also glossing over and vastly over-simplifying the difference between the mother and her fetus. They are not, and will not be at any point in time up until birth, on equal standing with each other.

 

A mother is someone who has given birth to a baby. If a mother was someone who was pregnant, then a woman who suffered 10 miscarriages would be a mother to 10 children.
We don't oppose protection for the 'unborn', we support CHOICE for the woman. Lifers oppose protection for the woman, because they would prefer the woman die so a fetus can live - THAT is pro death.

When a fetus can stick its head out of the ladies vagina and say that it wishes to live, then the fetus can have a choice. Do parents ask their five year olds if they want to go to bed now, or stay up later? No, they don't - why not? Doesn't the five year old have a choice?

No, it is just fact - the fetus relies solely on the woman to survive. There is no disputing that.

 

Human life begins at the moment of conception.

http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm

 

A mother is a woman who has conceived a baby.

You're saying that you approve of protecting the unborn but you support the murder of the unborn because it's an inconvenience to the mother. That doesn't make sense.

No, we support protection for both the mother and the unborn baby and accord equal importance to each life.

The fetus doesn't need to make a choice to live. It has that inherent right because it's a human being.

So what? That doesn't make it any less human.

 

Then why do pregnant women say they are going to become parents? 'I'm going to be a mum' - aren't they already a mother?

I am somewhat okay with fetal homicide laws but only past a certain point. That is my 'protection' of the unborn. But the fetus cannot be protected from the woman, because if you do, you violate the rights of the woman.

But you can't. Again, if the woman will die if she doesn't have an abortion, who do you save? If you save the woman, the fetus is not equal. If you save the fetus, the woman is not equal. One is always more important than the other.

People on death row are human beings, yet many people think its okay to kill them - and those people call themselves pro life. Being pro life means you should be opposed to all types of killing, not just certain types.

But it means the woman has the authority over it.

 

They are indeed a mother.

Keeping in mind that just because something is law that doesn't make it moral or just, are you seriously suggesting that a woman has the "right" to commit homicide on what is by definition a living human being?

Under what circumstances would a woman die if she doesn't have an abortion and how often does that occur? Regardless of the circumstances, both lives have equal value. Would you assert that a child with ADHD is less valuable as a human being then a normal child? I'd doubt that. The same value principal applies to all humans.

How many pro-life advocates approve of the death penalty? With a source link please. By the way, if you look at the death certificate of someone who has been executed the cause of death is always "homicide." The same holds true for abortion. It's legalized homicide.

 

boy am I glad you brought up that failed argument. Why are people on "death row"?

Are they there because someone just callously wishes to snuff away their life? Or, is the person there because they chose to commit a crime which resulted in the death of a human(s)

Let's compare that to the baby

the baby was given no choice and was executed for no cause whatsoever--------------and it's legal

for criminals, they could have chosen to obey laws but instead chose to alleviate someone(s) of their life. --------and here we have liberals who rally against the death penalty for guilty criminals yet support the death penalty for innocent babies

and you question pro-lifers about having our moral compass out of whack-----------me thinks someone needs to do some soul searching

 

Great post.

They would say that the prisoner, the murderer would deserve life more than the innocent child in the womb. The child did not ask to be conceived and women know when they spread their legs…and have sex even with protection they can get pregnant. What we have to do is to educate about FETAL DEVELOPMENT AND GIVE WOMEN THE FACTS about what they are carrying. This is something pro-choicers and Planned Parenthood don't want to happen. They want abortion legal, no protection for the unborn whatsoever.

Now I am not for the death penalty for murderers…but I am for a dark, wet cells….no televisions, no high tech computers,no work out equipment, no basketball facilities….cold meals.

 

In other words, lifers are pro death when they feel like it.

That is inhumane, and I thought lifers were about being humane?

 

In other words, lifers are pro death when they feel like it.

That is inhumane, and I thought lifers were about being humane?

 

Then why does the law not recognise them as a mother, and if the woman has a miscarriage at 6 weeks, why is there no death certificate or funeral? There should be, if she is a mother...

I think the woman has the right to have an abortion because she has the right to control her body, no other reason.

A kid with ADHD is worth the same as a kid without. But a fetus is worth less than the kid with ADHD because the fetus is physically reliant on someone else's body to survive.

There are lifers in this thread who are fine with the death penalty, and war. They are only pro life when it suits them. Some of them are pro death because they'd prefer a woman die rather than have treatment that would mean the death of her fetus and that, to me, is sickening.

I was not aware of the death certificate thing for death row inmates, but aborted fetuses do not have a death certificate, because they are not considered people.

 

Makedde said,

The law does not give the unborn personhood. There are doctors aborting unborns past viability….and they don't get a proper burial. If the woman had killed her child by self abortion…and they could prove the unborn was born alive and then died…the woman would be in trouble. Its only legal if you hired the killing done.

Every pregnant women is a mother. When you go into a doctors office and your filling out paperwork….many times they will ask how many pregnancies have you had. This is a round about question…..How many children have you conceived….how many times have you been a mother?

What does war and death penalty have anything to do with this? Someone can be pro-life for the unborn and for the death penalty…they are two separate issues. Your losing on the abortion issue…..not you have to divert attention off of the unborn and on to another issue. Make a thread and discuss those there. This is about being pro-life for the unborn child.

Are you pro-rape? Are you pro-death to born children because you hate them in the womb? You obviously hate life…because that which is growing in the womb is a living human being. Does that mean your pro-death to a lot of other different things? You think death to the fetus is a good idea especially if a child is handicapped. Do you also think handicapped kids should be killed ….who have been born?

 

^asking how many pregnancies you have had is not the same as asking how many kids you have. Pregnancy does not equal child, and if any doctor believed it did, well, that doctor is a moron.

You cannot be pro life and happily support the killing of humans you don't like. That is why lifers are so darned hypocritical. A little bit of murder is okay to them.

Am I pro rape? Your question is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing offensive. Am I pro rape because I have been the victim of TWO sexual assaults? I must be, seeing I was abused and all.
I don't hate life, I would argue that lifers hate women for wanting to control her body.

I think that if a child is born disabled and that kid will never lead a normal life then the parents can consent to having it humanely euthanased. Unless there is a lifer around who is prepared to adopt that child? Yeah, didn't think so.